"If you put your mind to it, you can do it." True, False, or Somewhere in between?

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Have you ever heard of people practicing and practicing and want to get good at golf but no matter they just don't get to the level they want, they want it bad, real bad and they take lessons from every top teacher, they have all the books ,all the dvd's ,all the golf training aids, all the blood sweat and tears but just can't quite get there.

They troll the golf forums hoping for some kind of key, something , they never give up , they improve but never to their satisfaction, why, oh why can't they do it, what's missing?

I mean they would give their first born away if only they could just be really good, not asking too much just single digit hdcp. or maybe scratch, maybe it's not that easy,maybe just putting their mind to it and every thing else isn't enough, maybe their talent level isn't enough, who knows.

Sometimes you just can't be that guy from Pebble Beach and become a head pro but you can still enjoy a great game, not everyone can reach their goals, some fail but that doesn't mean you can't try , who knows, you just might get there. You might even find a teacher like Brian if your lucky.

That is interesting I think. Why, despite efforts (towards what exactly I guess though), do some people, seemingly with the ability to get what they want (seemingly as much as "X Pro Guy"), not get what they want?

A lot can go wrong I would presume. Why? Dunno.

A lot of people are after instant gratification it seems.

But I have to assume there are people who aren't, yet still fall short. Or run out of gas/interest...or however to put it.

There is lots "to" anything, if you really look into it, I guess.

Providing you know the basics (and that is a massive, most don't ), You need to get out in your back yard, with a window (mirror), a video camera, NO BALL (very important) , and get those fingers blistered to shreds and FIND that \ your swing. And it takes HARD work , and time.
No teacher has the magic, not even Brian Manzella, but can help. And you can trawl every forum going.
If your fingers, palms don't have warts and blisters you haven't worked hard enough , PERIOD. There are no shortcuts.

aHHH.

Charlie didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast.
His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat. He had
only two ways home: death, or victory.

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Figurative blisters and warts??

Ya working hard is important. No ball, + video??

What if they have a good swing and shoot in the seventies and have good instruction and work till they have warts on their ass, but they want more ,they want to shoot in the sixties and be on tour and win majors and be #1 in the world, is it possible that they might not do any of those thing's? is there just a slight possibility that they can't achieve their goals, what's the problem then? what excuse can you come up with for them?

Can you always get what you want, even if you do everything right, can you? Is that realistic, it's not about quitting or not trying hard enough or all those other excuses it's just the way life is, not "everyone" can achieve their goals period, but you can still try and you can still achieve but that does not mean you will.

You will learn a lot of good stuff along the way.

I always think...even if I had retained every single thing I ever learned in school...perfect retention, learning.....what use would most of it be?

Why couldn't I do (more of) something I like instead?

Or is it about mental stimulation/practice?

OK. I get that. I even get having to overcome things you don't like to do...(but of course "how?")...

How about I do something that I am interested in, that I find much MORE mentally stimulating?

Find something you like and you have a reason to improve everything about you...because everything counts if you want to get as good as you can get.

Even if I get better at brushing my teeth in the morning, it makes me a better golfer/painter/martial artist/whatever...because...

...because I am happier...my teeth are nicer...I smile more now...people like me more...girls like me more!...it saves me time having to learn it in the future...it saves me dental visits/bills...I got fulfillment out of learning something...etc. etc.

"I am better at whatever I am into because I am happier because I am better at something else."

Pretty abstract, and open to opinion and variability...but the gist is there.
 
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greenfree

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That is interesting I think. Why, despite efforts (towards what exactly I guess though), do some people, seemingly with the ability to get what they want (seemingly as much as "X Pro Guy"), not get what they want?

A lot can go wrong I would presume. Why? Dunno.

A lot of people are after instant gratification it seems.

But I have to assume there are people who aren't, yet still fall short. Or run out of gas/interest...or however to put it.

There is lots "to" anything, if you really look into it, I guess.



aHHH.

Charlie didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast.
His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat. He had
only two ways home: death, or victory.

??

Figurative blisters and warts??

Ya working hard is important. No ball, + video??



You will learn a lot of good stuff along the way.

I always think...even if I had retained every single thing I ever learned in school...perfect retention, learning.....what use would most of it be?

Why couldn't I do (more of) something I like instead?

Or is it about mental stimulation/practice?

OK. I get that. I even get having to overcome things you don't like to do...(but of course "how?")...

How about I do something that I am interested in, that I find much MORE mentally stimulating?

Find something you like and you have a reason to improve everything about you...because everything counts if you want to get as good as you can get.

Even if I get better at brushing my teeth in the morning, it makes me a better golfer/painter/martial artist/whatever...because...

...because I am happier...my teeth are nicer...I smile more now...people like me more...girls like me more!...it saves me time having to learn it in the future...it saves me dental visits/bills...I got fulfillment out learning something...etc. etc.

"I am better at whatever I am into because I am happier because I am better at something else."

Pretty abstract, and open to opinion and variability...but the gist is there.

If only i had known that's what it took to be a "somebody", and eternal happiness i would have brushed my teeth till they bled and i had blisters on my gums and i got tendonitis in my wrist and even if when i smiled the glare from my pearlie whites caused massive car pile ups. I would just keep on brushing brother Birdieman just keep on brushing. Oh' by the way is that brushing direction up and down or side to side, i can never remember....LOL Just kidding.
 
Maybe the saying should be "If you put your mind to it, you can reach your full potential."

I will also never be a world class high jumper, but I could be the best high jumper that my body would allow me. But I don't want to dedicate time and energy doing something that I am 100% sure I could never be exceptional at.
 
When you watch Mr. and Mrs. Fabersham hit balls on the range, you realize that just learning enough to break 100 every once in a while would be a wondrous achievement for some people. And breaking 90 on a real course is out of the question.

And there are thousands and thousands of golfers with some athletic ability who if they spent 10 hours a day playing golf and practicing until their hands bled would never be scratch, much less a pro.

And you could have 100,000 people play basketball 12 hours a day from the age of 4 and not find one Michael Jordan.
 
When you watch Mr. and Mrs. Fabersham hit balls on the range, you realize that just learning enough to break 100 every once in a while would be a wondrous achievement for some people. And breaking 90 on a real course is out of the question.

And there are thousands and thousands of golfers with some athletic ability who if they spent 10 hours a day playing golf and practicing until their hands bled would never be scratch, much less a pro.

And you could have 100,000 people play basketball 12 hours a day from the age of 4 and not find one Michael Jordan.

Yeah, we get it. None of us can be the next "World's Strongest Man." And if you don't have the genetic makeup to do it, but it is your life's dream, you will only get so far. But you will be doing what you love to do, so therefore, you are a sucess and have achieved a very lofty goal. Maybe not the one you set out to hit, but an important one, none the less.

My point is, when Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, did he whine about how he "Just couldn't do it?"
 
Yeah, we get it. None of us can be the next "World's Strongest Man." And if you don't have the genetic makeup to do it, but it is your life's dream, you will only get so far. But you will be doing what you love to do, so therefore, you are a sucess and have achieved a very lofty goal. Maybe not the one you set out to hit, but an important one, none the less.

My point is, when Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, did he whine about how he "Just couldn't do it?"

If Michael Jordan hadn't had unreal drive he would never have played pro basketball, and would have never gotten close to his potential. No doubt.

The only thing I object to is people thinking the inverse is true, thinking that "if I have unreal drive I might play NBA basketball or be a music prodigy or teach physics at Yale" when it is clearly impossible and your energies should be spent doing something else. 10,000 hours or 100,000 hours of practice is not going to produce a ton of Mozarts, Jordans, or Yale Physics Ph.Ds. There are outliers, in terms of both ability and drive.
 
If Michael Jordan hadn't had unreal drive he would never have played pro basketball, and would have never gotten close to his potential. No doubt.

The only thing I object to is people thinking the inverse is true, thinking that "if I have unreal drive I might play NBA basketball or be a music prodigy or teach physics at Yale" when it is clearly impossible and your energies should be spent doing something else. 10,000 hours or 100,000 hours of practice is not going to produce a ton of Mozarts, Jordans, or Yale Physics Ph.Ds. There are outliers, in terms of both ability and drive.

Of course that's true, there are physical and mental limitations. But most of us are aware of those limitations and as such, choose our endeavors and goals accordingly. It's from meeting, exceeding, or failing at our properly chosen edeavors and goals, that we can accuratly gauge our effort.

When you remove the Mozarts, Jordans, and Einsteins, you are left with well over 99% of the population of the world and 99% of the endeavors that one could undertake that are physically and mentally possible. Of these, all are dependant upon desire, want, drive, effort, or whatever you want to call it, more than any other single factor.

And since we are on a golf forum, I say that due to the lack of physical and mental necessities to play golf, anyone can play golf proficiently, provided they want it and are willing to make some sacrifices. Like I stated before, I want to be a scratch golfer, but I don't want to take the time to practice like I need to get there. I don't want my wife to get mad at me!
 
Howard,

I am going to give you a free half-hour lesson at my next Florida tour stop.

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Wow. Now that is impressive. Brian, I become more impressed every time I get on this site.

I can't imagine any of the so-called top 50 instructors doing such a kind and selfless act. You truly are at the head of your profession.
 
full potential

Maybe the saying should be "If you put your mind to it, you can reach your full potential."

I will also never be a world class high jumper, but I could be the best high jumper that my body would allow me. But I don't want to dedicate time and energy doing something that I am 100% sure I could never be exceptional at.

I have no idea what my potential is....I know what it is today, not sure what it will be tomorrow

In fact I don't ever want to know (speaking golf only for me)....i don't want to believe I can't break 100

Maybe not today or tomorrow but I am going to break 100 someday i will break 100.

My Mom (who i miss dearly) used to say to me "believe in yourself as much as I believe in you"
 

greenfree

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Sigh....
Regarding the ball thing. It is much easier to change \ make changes to the swing without a ball. Why the hell should a ball be there? You need to ingrain feels, changes, and concentrating your mind on hitting a ball at the same time is not a good idea because your brain \ body will be focused on just getting that ball away. You are detracting yourself.
Most basic example ... changing your grip. Feels terrible at first .. why try and hit a ball ? Why not do some practice swings to get used to it.


Well, what if you never hit a ball and practiced these changes till you mastered them and then you started hitting balls but started shanking and slicing and topping etc. what do you do now? Do you stop and go back doing more mirror work and practice some more without hitting balls?

I understand your point but eventually your going to have to hit balls, maybe a combination of the 2 might work better, some dry runs and some live one's i mean you got to have some fun hacking away...lol.
 
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If only i had known that's what it took to be a "somebody", and eternal happiness i would have brushed my teeth till they bled and i had blisters on my gums and i got tendonitis in my wrist and even if when i smiled the glare from my pearlie whites caused massive car pile ups. I would just keep on brushing brother Birdieman just keep on brushing. Oh' by the way is that brushing direction up and down or side to side, i can never remember....LOL Just kidding.

Toothpaste on...toothpaste off!!! -Mr. Miyagi

Hehe lol who knows man.

Btw- up and down!! :D:D

Forget what the dentist says I am not brushing in small circles! I don't have all day!

It is crazy abstract bs (and maybe exaggerated), I know, but I had to go there. :)
 
I have no idea what my potential is....I know what it is today, not sure what it will be tomorrow

In fact I don't ever want to know (speaking golf only for me)....i don't want to believe I can't break 100

Maybe not today or tomorrow but I am going to break 100 someday i will break 100.

My Mom (who i miss dearly) used to say to me "believe in yourself as much as I believe in you"

She also used to say "I am one day older than you!" Or something like that. (can't really remember clearly for some reason!!)
 
I think in general, yes. And I think in general you may not be able to do everything you put your mind to, but if you legitimately put your mind into something, even if you don't achieve your end goal...you probably wind up accomplishing far more than you expected and probably accomplish a lot of tremendous achievements that you never even thought of.

For instance. Let's say at a young age I put my mind to it that I'm going to win the gold medal in the 100 meters. I may just not have the pure physical ability to do that and if I truly put my mind to it, I may come pretty close. But I might wind up using that effort and that focus that developed my skills as a runner and wind up finding that I'm actually more physically gifted to be a gold medal triple jumper. Or maybe I'm more gifted to be a Hall of Fame WR in the NFL.

Usually what happens is people are very serious but they don't legitimately and fully put their minds to something. Stuff gets in the way, like family, health, friends, luck, etc. And instead of putting their mind fully to the goal at hand and doing whatever it takes until they reach that goal, they just don't quite have that type of effort.





3JACK
 

greenfree

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Toothpaste on...toothpaste off!!! -Mr. Miyagi

Hehe lol who knows man.

Btw- up and down!! :D:D

Forget what the dentist says I am not brushing in small circles! I don't have all day!

It is crazy abstract bs (and maybe exaggerated), I know, but I had to go there. :)

Yeah, i know what you meant just havin' a little fun ,do things that make you feel good about yourself, positive reinforcement, you are who you think you are etc., etc. Oh, before i forget, i still think side to side is easier on your wrist and faster, circles are so yesterday...lol.:D
 
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