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noote said:
I haven't seen that Cochran and Stobbs book since 1993, thought it would have been long forgotten by now.
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It is WONDERFUL and contrary to naysayers, an eternal gem. It is written for people who intend to inject their own responsibility into their golf swing instead of asking for others to "tell them what to do." It is one of the finest works ever, leagues ahead of whatever comes next. Hogan, Daly (YES, John Daly) and others have, of course, great stuff: but for thoroughness of information, SFTPS is it.
 
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Homer Kelley should have posted 'em up!

Perfect Impact said:
It is WONDERFUL and contrary to naysayers, an eternal gem. It is written for people who intend to inject their own responsibility into their golf swing instead of asking for others to "tell them what to do." It is one of the finest works ever, leagues ahead of whatever comes next. Hogan, Daly (YES, John Daly) and others have, of course, great stuff: but for thoroughness of information, SFTPS is it.
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Homer had a list of 50 or so mistakes in SFTPS.

I wish he would have published them.

Anyway, there are better.

Now as for the inside-aft quadrant, some golfers play good with it as a goal to HIT and some don't.

But, as a concept, it is as good as gold—IF—you know how to teach a REALLY GOOD golf swing.
 
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Inside good and not so good.

Brian Manzella said:
Homer had a list of 50 or so mistakes in SFTPS.

I wish he would have published them.

Anyway, there are better.

Now as for the inside-aft quadrant, some golfers play good with it as a goal to HIT and some don't.

But, as a concept, it is as good as gold—IF—you know how to teach a REALLY GOOD golf swing.
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Brian

Person looking for power, its been told that left wrist flat and right bent has the potential for power. Now lets take LD players, some maintain the right wrist bend all the way to the finish. Some let the left wrist bend after collision. Which one is easier to accomplish and which one is more powerful a swing?

Does letting the left wrist bend have an effect on those that try to hit the inside quadrant verse the ones that don't break the left wrist?
 
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The inside-aft quadrant thing is all about where you direct your THRUST. It's not about where the clubface contacts the ball at impact as I've shown earlier (posts #12 and #19).
 
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For me I don't think about it at all....it just happens, I'm sure. I don't like to direct any effort towards it on purpose.
 
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birdie_man said:
What happened to "Don't Hit It At The Target"?
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Thrust is always directed at the visual inside-aft quadrant of the ball, but for a straight shot the Clubface must contact the back of the ball per 2-B (Hitting and Swinging). These two things are not mutually exclusive.
 
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No Leo.

Denny is right.

Think about it folks:

If the clubface is CONSTANTLY CLOSING, and the IMPACT INTERVAL (the time between impact and separation) is ANY LENGTH AT ALL (in golf it is about 3/4th of an inch), then the clubFACE has to be OPEN at impact to hit the ball straight.

Now hitters or NO ROLLERS are not CONSTANTLY CLOSING the clubface, they are MAINTAINING their clubface position through the IMPACT INTERVAL, so THEY NEED a square clubgface for staraightaway ball flight.

Both APPROACH the indise-aft quadrant as any bug would traveling down the inclined plane.
 
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"inside aft quadrant" implies that the angle of approach is from "4:30" on a ball where 12:00 is facing the target squarely, and 4:30 is clearly 45 degees different. If the impact interval is about 3/4", the angle of approach can't BEGIN to be so extreme--it might actually be no more than a couple degrees at most even with a driver, which has the largest such angle of all clubs because of its length and flatter plane. (With a PW it is even more negligible.)

Isn't it easy to give a mis-perception by using the word "quadrant?" (1/4th of the ball)...
 
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Oh George...

3° is 3°, and sometimes it is a bit more.

If you can't use the idea in your teaching, that may say more about WHAT you teach than anything else, because I have NO PROBLEM with it, and neither does several teachers I have seen.
 
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Your choice to use "quadrant" is different than mine: a simple curve on a piece of paper makes the point, AND shows its relative importance more accurately, IMO.
 
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I almost NEVER use the word quadrant.

I say inside BACK of the ball.

But that's not the real point now, is it?
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Brian, as usual you are right. :) 3 to 4 degrees open at the ball. If you are swinging correctly from a great setup and super BM pivot. Other wise most will block if they are not versed on this all. Ball contacts the back of the ball at separation.

I know this swinging out to right field stuff is misleading plenty. How about you show and tell what this all pertains to. If teachers only can give total clarity to there students, the student does have chance to play this game reasonably well. Then again, are there any good teachers out there doing just that. Is there a short list. :) Calling Dr. Stallion.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Denny is right.

Think about it folks:

If the clubface is CONSTANTLY CLOSING, and the IMPACT INTERVAL (the time between impact and separation) is ANY LENGTH AT ALL (in golf it is about 3/4th of an inch), then the clubFACE has to be OPEN at impact to hit the ball straight.
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Yes, the Clubface is Open to the Target Line at Impact as shown in 2-C-1 #3. But Impact Point is not on the inside-aft quadrant of the ball even though it may look like it is. If you look at 2-C-1 #3, the Impact Point is on the Center Line (not inside-aft). This is what Homer is trying to say in the diagram in 2-B (it's the down-the-line view of the ball) -- that you need to contact the ball On Center (not actually inside-aft, but visually it is) for a straight shot.
 
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