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Kevin Shields said:
Exactly, John. My point is my particular student did all relatively the same things to get his path. Swung a little right, hit a little down, made the path 3.5 in to out. No biggie, go play. But if on a couple of swings his HSW was 3* left and he hit 7* down and got the same 3.5 path, we have a problem. You cant beat anybody doing that. Nobodies eye is good enough even with Casio to tell how much attack angle there is without trackman. Its a better way. Anybody who doesnt believe that is high.
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I agree 100%. Ya know sometimes I see things that don't quite look the same as other swings and the ball flies the same and then the next time I see something similar and whammo-off the planet. Like Brian said in a previous post when you see enough swings that record certain numbers they kinda start to have there own look.

Trackman just allows me/us to say stop it right there, we need to talk about that swing because that is a dangerous road to go down. Where in the past, it would be nice shot, hit another one and then O-crap what happened.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Kevin Shields said:
Some people are missing the point entirely. Its just a tool for learning. If you dont like it or want to learn about it, then don't.

Jim, why are you so anti Trackman?
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I would like to clarify that i am 100% for Trackman. I just don't believe that it is the end all be all of golf instruction. Will it make all of us better teachers? To a degree because even the teacher needs to 1) understand the data 2) be able to communicate it a way to the student. Do i have faith in Kevin/Damon/Brian to be able to do that? ABSOLUTELY; however i don't in all teachers.

Maybe the best way i can kind of describe my feelings about Trackman is similar to when "scanners" and "code readers" were developed for fuel injected and ECU controlled cars; they are gigantic useful tools but even though it tells you what is wrong it doesn't mean that the mechanic (teacher in our case) doesn't have to be skilled to be able to take advantage of it. There is still a lot of the "solution" in the mechanic/teacher.

As a for instance; my car threw an oxygen sensor (o2 sensor commonly referred too) code. Now an inexperienced mechanic would simply replace the o2 sensor. However my o2 sensor wasn't the problem, i had an exhaust leak at the catalytic converter which was causing the readings of the before cat o2 sensor and after cat o2 sensor to be bad enough that it threw the "code." So the solution was to fix the exhaust leak and no o2 replacement.

So while i believe in Trackman to make us all better teachers i still believe a lot in the instructor making the difference.
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
I would like to clarify that i am 100% for Trackman. I just don't believe that it is the end all be all of golf instruction. Will it make all of us better teachers? To a degree because even the teacher needs to 1) understand the data 2) be able to communicate it a way to the student. Do i have faith in Kevin/Damon/Brian to be able to do that? ABSOLUTELY; however i don't in all teachers.

Maybe the best way i can kind of describe my feelings about Trackman is similar to when "scanners" and "code readers" were developed for fuel injected and ECU controlled cars; they are gigantic useful tools but even though it tells you what is wrong it doesn't mean that the mechanic (teacher in our case) doesn't have to be skilled to be able to take advantage of it. There is still a lot of the "solution" in the mechanic/teacher.

As a for instance; my car threw an oxygen sensor (o2 sensor commonly referred too) code. Now an inexperienced mechanic would simply replace the o2 sensor. However my o2 sensor wasn't the problem, i had an exhaust leak at the catalytic converter which was causing the readings of the before cat o2 sensor and after cat o2 sensor to be bad enough that it threw the "code." So the solution was to fix the exhaust leak and no o2 replacement.

So while i believe in Trackman to make us all better teachers i still believe a lot in the instructor making the difference.
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nice:D
 
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Tom Bartlett

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Purple People Eaters

He doesn't mean you are BB. But, that you are filling his shoes nicely.;)

Enough BS, back to the topic.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Jim Kobylinski said:
I would like to clarify that i am 100% for Trackman. I just don't believe that it is the end all be all of golf instruction. Will it make all of us better teachers? To a degree because even the teacher needs to 1) understand the data 2) be able to communicate it a way to the student. Do i have faith in Kevin/Damon/Brian to be able to do that? ABSOLUTELY; however i don't in all teachers.

Maybe the best way i can kind of describe my feelings about Trackman is similar to when "scanners" and "code readers" were developed for fuel injected and ECU controlled cars; they are gigantic useful tools but even though it tells you what is wrong it doesn't mean that the mechanic (teacher in our case) doesn't have to be skilled to be able to take advantage of it. There is still a lot of the "solution" in the mechanic/teacher.

As a for instance; my car threw an oxygen sensor (o2 sensor commonly referred too) code. Now an inexperienced mechanic would simply replace the o2 sensor. However my o2 sensor wasn't the problem, i had an exhaust leak at the catalytic converter which was causing the readings of the before cat o2 sensor and after cat o2 sensor to be bad enough that it threw the "code." So the solution was to fix the exhaust leak and no o2 replacement.

So while i believe in Trackman to make us all better teachers i still believe a lot in the instructor making the difference.
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You guys are funny. Nowhere did anyone of us say Trackman was going to replace the teacher. In fact Brian and I have talked extensively about how ONLY people who can interpret the numbers and move them around would be fit to teach with it. The thread was meant to help people learn, not to start some stupid "is Trackman the greatest/" debate. You should teach on it first before you form an opinion. Really.
 
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