Is Rory under the plane?

[Mike Thomas (sunmart)]

Sure looks like it.

 

[ZAP]

I have always thought it looked like that would be his tendency but looks can be deceiving.

 

[lia41985]

Ain't no planes in 3-D, bruh. Rightward swing path with a low-ish, VSP, sure. 2 majors, 2nd place in this year's FedEX Cup #GetErDone

 

[wulsy]

Sure looks like it.

Come on bud, "looks like it"? Surely you know by now that you can't see sheeat in the golf swing, unless of course you're from planet Krypton.

 

[dschultz6072]

For what most people look for as being "under", yes. But, lia pretty much summed it up. As long as that clubface is pointed down the right side of everything, he's a machine.

 

[Jared Willerson]

He can get under and swing a bit too far out to the right. That is his miss.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

He can get under and swing a bit too far out to the right. That is his miss.

Exactly, while there are any # of "planes" to swing on you can still come in too high or too under.

 

[lia41985]

Pretty sure you have to be "under" to get positive AoA to maximize launch conditions...

 

[jbrunk]

Don't know about rory but Webb....good night

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Pretty sure you have to be "under" to get positive AoA to maximize launch conditions...

No, you don't. Not sure why you'd think that.

 

[lia41985]

Jim,
I can't visualize it any other way.

Furthermore, to zero out with a positive angle of attack the path must be inside-out, correct? That inside-out path is what I consider "under". I'd appreciate it if you could help clear up my apparent misunderstanding.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

lia, depends on swing direction. Also, just because you're path is inside-out doesn't mean you are "under plane." Obviously the more that # increases there's a greater chance of it but if you swung perfectly down a plane board setup for say a 7 iron your impact and launch monitor readings will still say "inside out" because you are hitting down on the ball (assuming you didn't didn't swing left). Let's say we have a driver and we're going to hit up 4* and have a perfect VSP of 45* so there's a 1 to 1 relationship. If i aim 4* to the right perfectly and swing on that HSP TM will read it as inside/out because it's pointed down the target line (while i'm aimed and swung 4* to the right) however since the ball is on hit on the "up" when the clubhead is coming back around we get a "true path" of 0*.

That's my understanding of how TM or FS are taking those readings. Am i misunderstanding it?

 

[faux_maestro]

It can be "on plane" not "under" if you just aim right?

 

[lia41985]

Jim,
Thanks for your response. However, I'm still wondering what "under" means. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify that.

 

[dschultz6072]

I think it's when you draw the lines from the original shaft position and if it goes under that they call it under.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Under only means hitting it fat

 

[Kevin Shields]

Jim,
Thanks for your response. However, I'm still wondering what "under" means. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify that.

You just have to hit low point before impact. Being under doesn't have anything to do with it. The look of being under is when a player is under the hands plane too much. Then they start swing high out to the right and it's the double whammy that gives us that look.

 

[Ringer]

I think of it more as just a shifted plane.

You can either shift your plane line out to the right, or you can drop down to a flatter plane.

 

[drewyallop]

You just have to hit low point before impact. Being under doesn't have anything to do with it. The look of being under is when a player is under the hands plane too much. Then they start swing high out to the right and it's the double whammy that gives us that look.

I am confused. Questions ...

Let's assume that Kevin's assertion that a symptom of an under plane swing is leading edge of club contacting the ground before impact. Why does this happen in an "under plane" swing? Why does this not happen on an "on plane" swing?

If you state that a swing is under plane there must be a reference plane (ideal plane?). How is that reference plane defined?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

If you state that a swing is under plane there must be a reference plane (ideal plane?). How is that reference plane defined?

IMO, just my opinion, that is the shaft plane at address for whatever plane direction you are swinging on. Put down a plane board and don't hit the board.