Damn that's right I keep forgettin' about that.
Thanks for the heads up. Did you mean squarer than square?
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Damn that's right I keep forgettin' about that.
Thanks for the heads up. Did you mean squarer than square?
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SteveT
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Jwat .... How tall are you? .... What would happen if you narrowed your driver stance? .... Why do you only have a 3/4 backswing? .... What is your driver head speed? .... Are you aware that you somewhat rotate your hips and shoulders in unison in the downswing?
Nice average swing .... and just inquiring for a better perspective ... thanks ....... SteveT
Nice average swing .... and just inquiring for a better perspective ... thanks ....... SteveT
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Jwat
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Current ball flight - high which is normal. Doesn't matter if I hit it good or bad. But that shot in particular was about a 15yd pull.
The problem with the step for me is it sometimes promotes a lateral sway when I get lazy with my right hip.
drewyallop
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I am wrong if I say those numbers are optimum?
Jwat
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5'10
Actually it was on my pre lesson swings. Brian widened me up with all my clubs, I suspect to help deter the tugging.
Driver head speed was 109-111 a couple months ago. Don't know what it was during lesson because I never took a full swing. It was probably around 105 on a 3/4 finish swing. My 6 iron was 81-83 on 3/4 swing.
Yes, do u mean on the BS or DS?
If I can get that 'average' swing to 'above average', I will go from a -3 to a +
Jwat
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I think BManz was pretty happy with them
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SteveT
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How would a wider stance deter tugging in your case?
From the video of your driver swing, I guessed no more than ... 90 mph at 3/4 BS. Do you rotate into the DS differently with a full BS, and maybe a narrower stance?
I added in "in the downswing" after you copied the quote.. sorry.
You are a well "above average" golfer...!!!
Jwat
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Don't know he never said that, I was just assuming. I could be wrong.
That swing could have been in the nineties although I doubt it. I easily cleared my 250yd marker with a bottom of the barrel range ball.
Well I haven't learned to not tug with anything more than 3/4 backswing. But during the lesson I was swinging with a 3/4 finish to learn the DS without the tug. When I got home and started working on it, the only way I could swing with no tug was with the 3/4 BS and full finish.
So right now as i learn I can probably swing without a tug if I have a full BS & 3/4 finish or a 3/4 BS & full finish. Full BS & full finish = major tug still.
That swing could have been in the nineties although I doubt it. I easily cleared my 250yd marker with a bottom of the barrel range ball.
Well I haven't learned to not tug with anything more than 3/4 backswing. But during the lesson I was swinging with a 3/4 finish to learn the DS without the tug. When I got home and started working on it, the only way I could swing with no tug was with the 3/4 BS and full finish.
So right now as i learn I can probably swing without a tug if I have a full BS & 3/4 finish or a 3/4 BS & full finish. Full BS & full finish = major tug still.
Dang!Damn that's right I keep forgettin' about that.
In this day and age of scientific golf,I should have said squarer to the path.
I better go get my PHD in Physics and Biomechanics before I finish that e-book.LOL
dschultz6072
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Praise the science because there is no faith! Halleluyer!
You haven't finished the EJ book yet? I got my money saved up...waiting for it.
It took a little longer to save because I had to buy new golf shoes size 26 for better balance. The only problem so far is all the soft spikes they take, oh! and I had to get a bigger golf bag , they wouldn't fit in the old one.Sorry for the Thread Jack.
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Whiteflash
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Are you in the middle of a street?
JEREMY5577
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Jwat, I think your swing looks WAY better your hands are right over the ball at impact. I also had the same thing happen to me about 6 weeks ago when all of the sudden I started to notice I had some control over the clubface. I wasn't trying to control the clubface it just happened. I new it wasn't going left even if I swung harder. Then I started hitting all kinds of shots just playing around with the clubface and exit path. This is a new part of my game. Btw I wish I had my own driving range, must be nice living in Texas
Jwat
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Jwat, I think your swing looks WAY better your hands are right over the ball at impact. I also had the same thing happen to me about 6 weeks ago when all of the sudden I started to notice I had some control over the clubface. I wasn't trying to control the clubface it just happened. I new it wasn't going left even if I swung harder. Then I started hitting all kinds of shots just playing around with the clubface and exit path. This is a new part of my game. Btw I wish I had my own driving range, must be nice living in Texas
Yea its nice here. I have a small golf cart garage on the side of my house that I was going to turn into a hitting bay in the winter time when some jackass started building a house just adjacent to it.
We actually have lots of snowbirds from Minnesota who live here for the winter. Although they want everyone to know that they get their senior discount!
Jwat,
I was dinking around with a club earlier and thought of your experiences with tugging and taking the club back further than 3/4's. I then thought of ekennedy's suggestion that tension causes tugging.
I took a slow-mo swing and stopped as soon as I began to feel a pull on the outside of my left delt, kind of a sticking point. At this point I had made slightly more than three quarters of a back swing.
I slowly lowered the club until the tension on the outside of the left delt dissipated, then gunned it with my right arm. Hmmm, I thought. I have since come up with a few different options for we tuggers.
1) Stop the backswing short of the sticking point. I think this is what JB Holmes does, possibly because he has a problem with tugging/horizontal handpath.
2) Extend the backswing beyond the sticking point, and allow for more of a free fall to begin the downswing, falling just past the sticking point, at which time the club is whooshed.
3) Increase the flexibility of your shoulder complex, take all the backswing you can, and gun it from the very beginning of the downswing.
I was dinking around with a club earlier and thought of your experiences with tugging and taking the club back further than 3/4's. I then thought of ekennedy's suggestion that tension causes tugging.
I took a slow-mo swing and stopped as soon as I began to feel a pull on the outside of my left delt, kind of a sticking point. At this point I had made slightly more than three quarters of a back swing.
I slowly lowered the club until the tension on the outside of the left delt dissipated, then gunned it with my right arm. Hmmm, I thought. I have since come up with a few different options for we tuggers.
1) Stop the backswing short of the sticking point. I think this is what JB Holmes does, possibly because he has a problem with tugging/horizontal handpath.
2) Extend the backswing beyond the sticking point, and allow for more of a free fall to begin the downswing, falling just past the sticking point, at which time the club is whooshed.
3) Increase the flexibility of your shoulder complex, take all the backswing you can, and gun it from the very beginning of the downswing.
Jwat
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Just wanted to update everyone on some progress I have had with my swing since my lesson at the 1st of this month. Although I am nowhere near where I need to be, I have now been able to work in more of a full swing motion from the 3/4. At first the 3/4 was allowing me to get more of the no tug feeling on the DS where as with the full swing the tug was always present.
Now I am getting my arms up a little steeper and turning a little more. Although I haven't seen my distances on my longer clubs grow, I feel like I am getting closer to the correct motions that will eventually open up those power moves. What do you guys think? Is there any noticeable differences?
Thanks for the comments,
Jerad
Now I am getting my arms up a little steeper and turning a little more. Although I haven't seen my distances on my longer clubs grow, I feel like I am getting closer to the correct motions that will eventually open up those power moves. What do you guys think? Is there any noticeable differences?
Thanks for the comments,
Jerad
Kevin Shields
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Much more free release of the arms than usual. Don't know the ballflght but looks different.
Looks like a great move to me, JWAT.
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