Lagging Clubhead Takeaway / Manzella

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rogerdodger

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One of my first lessons some years ago involved the pro putting his foot behind the club at address, preventing the head from moving first in the backswing. You could feel the pressure in the shaft, and the takeaway was automatic. I did not understand it at the time, felt really uncomfortable that my hands were not doing anything. It really takes repetition and practice without a ball to get it down, but it really adds dynamics to the swing. From a golf machine standpoint, I think this is why Homer reccomended adress hands position to be mid-body. If your hands begin at impact position, you have to stress the shaft elsewhere in the swing, ala Nicklaus, who really stressed it at the top. This is one of those aha type of threads that make this site. Great discussion.
 
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What about Camilo & Anthony?

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"Slow" back swings don't really happen with good players. Sure, Woody Austin may have a "slow" back swing, but I'd still wager it's faster than the typical low handicap club golfer.

During my years of teaching and filming students, one of my favorite teaching aids was the counter/clock on my software program. Tour players swings are over (back swing to impact) in 1.10 to 1.30 seconds. This includes Ernie, Freddy and all the smoothies out there. I bet 90 percent of my amateurs players are just getting their club to their right shoulder on the back swing at 1.10 to 1.30. Their horse lost the race by a mile.
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Villegas & Kim seem to be at extreme ends on their back swing times as shown last Sunday. Did anybody time them?
 
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Kevin Shields

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For what it's worth, the inner rotation lagging clubhead takeaway is THE SINGLE most valuable piece of info I have gotten from Brian. It explains and allows so much else to happen in a dynamically sequenced swing. It made everything he's talked to me about make that much more sense. (not to mention has helped several recent students)

P.S. Now I know why he does that little friggin bunnyhop at the beginning of his swing:)
 
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doubled said:
For what it's worth, the inner rotation lagging clubhead takeaway is THE SINGLE most valuable piece of info I have gotten from Brian. It explains and allows so much else to happen in a dynamically sequenced swing. It made everything he's talked to me about make that much more sense. (not to mention has helped several recent students)

P.S. Now I know why he does that little friggin bunnyhop at the beginning of his swing:)
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I developed quite a "bunny-hop" at the start of my swing this summer in trying to step on my right foot to start the Soft Draw swing.

At first I didn't realize it. Then one guy I play with asked what the heck the deal was with hopping before swinging, and I started to be aware I did it. At my lesson with Brian this past week, he said "you do know you are hopping, don't you"? I was concerned with my inability of to more of a LCT move where the hands obviously move before clubhead, but Brian explained that if you are stressing the shaft with internal rotation LCT, you don't need to worry about the more apparent move with the hands.
 
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what's that?

"For what it's worth, the inner rotation lagging clubhead takeaway is THE SINGLE most valuable piece of info I have gotten from Brian."

Kevin, lagging clubhead takeway, I understand. But could you spell out what you mean by "inner rotation"? Thanks.

Best, Chris
 
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Kevin Shields

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cnadon said:
"For what it's worth, the inner rotation lagging clubhead takeaway is THE SINGLE most valuable piece of info I have gotten from Brian."

Kevin, lagging clubhead takeway, I understand. But could you spell out what you mean by "inner rotation"? Thanks.

Best, Chris
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Stressing the shaft in the takeaway by moving your hands with your core as opposed to just dragging the handle away with your hands.
 
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