Left forearm do not rotate through out the whole swing?
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Deadly_Scope
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When you say that you don't think the left forearm rotates. Do you mean anatomically? With a relationship to something?
Its not good enough to ask a question that is so unclearly defined that it is unanswerable as there is probably a dozen things I could concieve your asking. I have a feeling you don't really know what it is your actually asking.
Its not good enough to ask a question that is so unclearly defined that it is unanswerable as there is probably a dozen things I could concieve your asking. I have a feeling you don't really know what it is your actually asking.
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jenhaoyen
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yes...but does it rotate at all during the back swing? Or you just bring it up with your right forearm without rotating?
jenhaoyen
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I dont' really know what you are talking about either.
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Jen,
You don't think very well do you?.....
Your arm has to rotate to keep the clubshaft "on plane"....try it standing upright, the shaft goes from vertical to horizontal...
Unless you are doing severe counter-rotation on the backswing, generally, your left arm will rotate clockwise by about 90 degrees between address and halfway back...
Jen,
You don't think very well do you?.....
Your arm has to rotate to keep the clubshaft "on plane"....try it standing upright, the shaft goes from vertical to horizontal...
Unless you are doing severe counter-rotation on the backswing, generally, your left arm will rotate clockwise by about 90 degrees between address and halfway back...
Deadly_Scope
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The left arm would not 'rotate' 90 degrees if your talking about anatomically as the power package is displaced by the dual agent, it could however in turn relation to the inclined plane which the degree of rotation is completely dependant on the grip type since if the hand was already turned to the plane at address, all that would be required to create the clubhead orbit around the left wrist during the backstroke would be the cocking motion of the left hand ... not that you think well enough to know that.
Now knock that %^$t off.
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Absolute tosh.....
To do what you are sayiing would require an incredibly strong grip....
An on-plane clubshaft is one that is roughly paralell to your shoulder line when you stand up straight anytime in the backswing.....
Try achieving that position without rolling your left arm, with a "normal" grip...
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Now knock that %^$t off.
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Absolute tosh.....
To do what you are sayiing would require an incredibly strong grip....
An on-plane clubshaft is one that is roughly paralell to your shoulder line when you stand up straight anytime in the backswing.....
Try achieving that position without rolling your left arm, with a "normal" grip...
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Now knock that %^$t off.
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jenhaoyen
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reposte?
jenhaoyen
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interesting.
Deadly_Scope
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You should really refrain from giving an opinion on something you can't understand. It is very obvious that you didn't understand because next you said...
Since I said -
Basically the dumbed down version means the more turned the hand at address = less rotation required regards to the inclined plane on the backstroke.
I mentioned grip type since you said....
Obviously you don't grasp obvious things. It won't be a 90 degree turn with relation to the inclined plane for any grip type except that which puts the carpals of the wrist vertical to it.
You were wrong, I was right
Don't worry though its going to happen alot if you try to debate me....
The clubshaft is not what stays onplane, but is actually the longitudinal center of gravity from the point from the left wrist center is on the shaft, to the sweetspot. The clubshaft moves around this line in a conical shape.... it would only have its own plane when there was no rotation of the ulna and radius.
The club is onplane when it has a relationship to the plane line. Whereby the club will point at the plane line except for when they are parallel to one another. Not that this doesn't have exceptions...however, since you don't even have the basic concept down, I don't see the need for futher explanation.
The shoulders motions are important to providing force against the primary lever assembly and as such there are relationships between the plane and the shoulder motions. However, even if you mean't it as a gross simplification you are still incorrect... anyone who has worked inside a 3d enviroment to depict a golf stroke (like me
) would be able to tell you... however I am not going to write a thesis to convince you.I especially love the way you use 'roughly' to try to elude your ineptitude when trying to accurately define golf mechanics.
I corrected your post because I disliked the manner you talked to jenhaoyen like your someone from mensa and yet responds in a manner that is devoid of any intellectual prowess.
Challenge for you - show me where I said that rotation does not take place (except for when the hand was already turned to the plane).
Like I said - you obviously took no time to actually read my post before trying your lame effort here to refute it. Intelligent people digest things before trying to refute them.
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jenhaoyen
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thanksYou should really refrain from giving an opinion on something you can't understand. It is very obvious that you didn't understand because next you said...
Since I said -
Basically the dumbed down version means the more turned the hand at address = less rotation required regards to the inclined plane on the backstroke.
I mentioned grip type since you said....
Obviously you don't grasp obvious things. It won't be a 90 degree turn with relation to the inclined plane for any grip type except that which puts the carpals of the wrist vertical to it.
You were wrong, I was right
Don't worry though its going to happen alot if you try to debate me....
The clubshaft is not what stays onplane, but is actually the longitudinal center of gravity from the point from the left wrist center is on the shaft, to the sweetspot. The clubshaft moves around this line in a conical shape.... it would only have its own plane when there was no rotation of the ulna and radius.
The club is onplane when it has a relationship to the plane line. Whereby the club will point at the plane line except for when they are parallel to one another. Not that this doesn't have exceptions...however, since you don't even have the basic concept down, I don't see the need for futher explanation.
The shoulders motions are important to providing force against the primary lever assembly and as such there are relationships between the plane and the shoulder motions. However, even if you mean't it as a gross simplification you are still incorrect... anyone who has worked inside a 3d enviroment to depict a golf stroke (like me
I especially love the way you use 'roughly' to try to elude your ineptitude when trying to accurately define golf mechanics.
I corrected your post because I disliked the manner you talked to jenhaoyen like your someone from mensa and yet responds in a manner that is devoid of any intellectual prowess.
Challenge for you - show me where I said that rotation does not take place (except for when the hand was already turned to the plane).
Like I said - you obviously took no time to actually read my post before trying your lame effort here to refute it. Intelligent people digest things before trying to refute them.
Deadly_Scope
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DS,
I'm not even going to respond to that...only to say, did it answer jen's problem, from his point of view?.....I apologise to him if I seemed snappy....
OK Jen,
I was always taught that you should try and explain thing in a way that even an 8-year old would understand (although at last testing I have an IQ of 155...)....maybe a different approach would answer your question...
Do your golf swing standing upright....
Now that's on a horizontal plane....correct, DS?.....
I'll tell you what happens when I do it...
At "address" my arms are inclined downwards by about 20-25 degrees...the clubshaft is horizontal to the ground....
I have a neutral grip, with the wrist bones being inclined by about 15-20 degrees to the vertical....
Now if I make the "cocking" movement of the wrists as my first movement, before anything else, i.e flatten the left wrist and radially flex the thumb towards the forearm (cock the left wrist), hyper extend the right wrist to its cocked back position, the clubshaft is now sloping to the right by about 15-20 degrees and sloping away from me by 15-20 degrees.......
Now the plane is horizontal (or parallel to my shoulder line) so I want the clubshaft to match that...
In my case I now need to rotate the left forearm by about 70-75 degrees clockwise to reach the horizontal (sorry it's not "about" 90 degrees Jen, I oversimplified ).........
Why not find out for yourself, with your own grip....
I'm not even going to respond to that...only to say, did it answer jen's problem, from his point of view?.....I apologise to him if I seemed snappy....
OK Jen,
I was always taught that you should try and explain thing in a way that even an 8-year old would understand (although at last testing I have an IQ of 155...)....maybe a different approach would answer your question...
Do your golf swing standing upright....
Now that's on a horizontal plane....correct, DS?.....
I'll tell you what happens when I do it...
At "address" my arms are inclined downwards by about 20-25 degrees...the clubshaft is horizontal to the ground....
I have a neutral grip, with the wrist bones being inclined by about 15-20 degrees to the vertical....
Now if I make the "cocking" movement of the wrists as my first movement, before anything else, i.e flatten the left wrist and radially flex the thumb towards the forearm (cock the left wrist), hyper extend the right wrist to its cocked back position, the clubshaft is now sloping to the right by about 15-20 degrees and sloping away from me by 15-20 degrees.......
Now the plane is horizontal (or parallel to my shoulder line) so I want the clubshaft to match that...
In my case I now need to rotate the left forearm by about 70-75 degrees clockwise to reach the horizontal (sorry it's not "about" 90 degrees Jen, I oversimplified ).........
Why not find out for yourself, with your own grip....
thefuture37
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WOW!!! do you really think your IQ is relevant for anything golf related? Moe Norman was toward the retarded side of the IQ scores and he did ok.
Deadly_Scope
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Yup, I call it a 'mensa mentality'. A group designed for average people that like to think of themselves as special and intelligent because they sat a generic IQ test that any moron could prepare for and pass given the inclination to do so.
Moe Norman was actually quite intelligent in certain areas.. he had a great capacity for mental arithmetic and memorisation. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.
No, but then again, I am not allowed to defend myself?......
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