i can hit it left to right, but when i do i get:
success: eight iron starts out five yards left and fades to target - driver starts pretty much at target and fades 5-10 yards.
failure: eight iron balloons then cuts - carries about 20 yards less than it should
driver: starts about 15 yards right then cuts more...
thanks for the help
Reading this thread again, and particularly the above: I think you have a good player's "wipe".
Basically you always have an open face relative to your path and your path varies a little bit within a fairly narrow but acceptable range.
The fix could be a little Hogan-esque:
Feel that you "roll" your right hand a little clock-wise (open if you will) on the backswing so you can roll counter-clockwise (or palm it down) through impact.
Keep the swing left thought (path) while your right hand "palms down" through impact.
Simpler explanation: open the face so you slam it down through impact.
Good players can do this while not altering their overall swing plane.