MANZELLA MATRX Downswing Club Powering...the future of our golf instruction

[matt kluck]

Brian,
Nice job on your explanation and it is simple. I am not an expert on the Matrix nor TGM but based on application you are right on the button! Good luck with the house, I enjoyed the tour. I look forward to our nest meet.
MK

A "Power Generator" is an angle that—when "Straightened Out"—can hit a golf ball all by itself.

"Straightening Out" on purpose is POSITIVE torque.


Restricting, or Delaying "Straightening Out" on purpose is NEGATIVE torque.


Allowing "Straightening Out" to happen on its own, is NO torque.
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See, told you it was simple.

 

[shortgamer]

how does one "straighten out" the turning of the pivot?

left leg?

 

[tongzilla]

left leg?

I could straighten my left leg independently of pivot turn, or pivot turn independently of my left leg straightening.

 

[shortgamer]

Personally when I straighten my left leg it pushes my hips open. Maybe the direction of all the power generators will be explained also.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Pivot....

Positive Pivot Torque is simply active rotation.

No Pivot Torque is possible in certain sections of the swing, like in a counter-fall or a "Power Package-drags-the-pivot backswing."

Negative Pivot Torque would be stopping, or severely slowing down rotation.

Ah....

So...

Ideally....

You might want...

Positive backswing torque, no torque pre-start down, Positive torque toward release point, and NEGATIVE TORQUE to snap the chain.

Cool, huh?

 

[Kevin Shields]

That is cool. Sounds like alot of sports.

 

[Brian Manzella]

That is cool. Sounds like alot of sports.

No doubt, Kev!

 

[Michael Jacobs]

[In the upcoming "Friends" video]

There are three ways to move the club from the top to the ball.

You can use:

Positive Torque—Negative Torque—or No Torque.

And you can use these on ANY of the Power Generators.

(Don't ask me how many....)

Anyhoo, "Pure Swinging," ala Ernest Jones and Manual DeLaTorre, is NO TORQUE. The weight of the club and the pivot action is producing all the power generator release.

POSITIVE TORQUE is actively releasing a generator. The folks who talk about actively straightening their right arms, are doing this. Is this "Hitting"? It is what it is. Active Release. Hitting is such a restrictive term. Positive Torque can be applied to one Generator while Negative Torque is being applied to another. Positive Torque of one Power Generator can CAUSE negative torque of another.

NEGATIVE TORQUE. Anything the RESTRICTS the release of a Generator—including just "holding it back," and including what The Golfing Machine calls Drag Loading, force along the shaft, will produce Negative Torque. It is not, and should not be called "Swinging," because—well, by the dictionary definition, and Ernest Jones', which is older than TGM by a lot—it is not.

Can you combine the tow or three?

Yes.

And, basically everyone who can hit it a lick does, and does in full power shots, and in many variations.

Why am I announcing it now?

The cat is out of the bag.

Perfect post, it is so good I can't even think of 1 thing to add in or help out describe

 

[JohnThomas1]

[In the upcoming "Friends" video]



POSITIVE TORQUE is actively releasing a generator. The folks who talk about actively straightening their right arms, are doing this. Is this "Hitting"? It is what it is. Active Release. Hitting is such a restrictive term. Positive Torque can be applied to one Generator while Negative Torque is being applied to another. Positive Torque of one Power Generator can CAUSE negative torque of another.

Can someone play superb and consistent golf using positive torque Brian? golf

 

[diggerdog]

Bertholy smiles

 

[tongzilla]

Can someone play superb and consistent golf using positive torque Brian? golf

It depends which generator you're referring to.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Leo Tong.... certificate of Merit!

It does depend.

What did you have in mind, John?

 

[JohnThomas1]

It does depend.

What did you have in mind, John?

Active straightening of the right arm during the downswing pivot. Now and then when i am playing crap i try to actively bend and unbend the right arm during the pivot, and have hit some cracking drives this way but never seem to be able to replicate it consistently at all. Seems hard to time but when it comes together it's bliss.

Thanks to both of you for replying.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Positive Torque in the Right Arm

Using "Positive Torque" in the Right Arm can yield lots of extra power.

The math says that if force is applied to the "hands" at the right moment you can pick up about 25%.

But the key is WHEN.

That time is when the club is VERTICAL for the last time on the downswing. Too late or too early adds NO extra power.

The other thing is, Positive Torque in the Right Arm can be done from different elbow locations, and with varying amounts of either NEGATIVE or POSITIVE Left Wrist Cock!

Timing...and applying the RIGHT AMMOUNT of right arm relative to the left arm pull of the pivot is KEY.

 

[pecky987]

Using "Positive Torque" in the Right Arm can yield lots of extra power.

The math says that if force is applied to the "hands" at the right moment you can pick up about 25%.

But the key is WHEN.

That time is when the club is VERTICAL for the last time on the downswing. Too late or too early adds NO extra power.

The other thing is, Positive Torque in the Right Arm can be done from different elbow locations, and with varying amounts of either NEGATIVE or POSITIVE Left Wrist Cock!

Timing...and applying the RIGHT AMMOUNT of right arm relative to the left arm pull of the pivot is KEY.

man you've been busy Brian!!

coming up with all this new terminology and different applications of it, man, your basically doing what Homer did!!

 

[Brian Manzella]

man you've been busy Brian!!

coming up with all this new terminology and different applications of it, man, your basically doing what Homer did!!

I am interested in one thing only: making golfers better.

I just did some of this to explain what I was doing on the lesson tee. I can only teach so many people.

There are so many different ways to create "uumph" that I had to do something.

I think when my work is done, it'll be easy and complete.

 

[ninotchka00]

Active straightening of the right arm during the downswing pivot. Now and then when i am playing crap i try to actively bend and unbend the right arm during the pivot, and have hit some cracking drives this way but never seem to be able to replicate it consistently at all. Seems hard to time but when it comes together it's bliss.

Thanks to both of you for replying.

that's what i'm having trouble coordinating. are there other power generators other than the pivot or the right arm straightening that i need to be aware of ?

when i can pull it off i'm hitting some of the best drives of my life. keep up the good work brian. you make this complicated game so much easier for the rest of us and you have the best site on the web.

 

[Brian Manzella]

that's what i'm having trouble coordinating. are there other power generators other than the pivot or the right arm straightening that i need to be aware of ?

No.

If whatever you are thinking, makes you hit good shots, including thinking the moon is made of cream cheese, don't change anything.



In my opinion, this would be the perfect golf lesson:

A golfer comes to you with a severely closed clubface, some throwaway, under plane, over tilted on the backswing. Struggling.

You don't interview them, mentally or physically evaluate them, or test them on any machine.

You tell them ONLY what they need to know. In this case, maybe just put out a towel plane board, and tell them to miss it.

They then start hitting the ball better right away, and in a week, win a MILLION DOLLARS in a tournament, lapping the field.​

I did that once, you know.


All of these Power Generators, and explanations, are NOT for the student. They don't need to know. Me and lots of other teachers, just realized that the "street" and "book" definitions of Drive and Drag Loading, are just slightly out of whack with what is really possible in biomechanics, and what will really hold up with in mathematics.

These are for MY TEACHERS...Mike Finney, Mike Jacobs, Tom Bartlett, Damon Lucas, Chris Hamburger, Ryan Smither, and soon, Kevin Shields.

These are for the forum members who also teach, and like to learn a thing or tow from me.

And, some forum members, who like to increase their knowledge, and sometimes play better becuase of it.


Nice first post by the way.

 

[rprevost]

Oh....there is (low) torque.

But, the GOLFER does not put it there.

It should also be noted that the physics/math say that a "No Torque" golf stroke (ala Manzella Matrix) will only be able to produce about 80% of a golfer's potential power.

"So Brian, why would you want to do it"??

.....ah....in the video....the "Friends" video.....

Brian, I know that you have credited David Lee and Gravity Golf on at least one of your videos. Where would you put his approach on your matrix? I would have thought that he is a "no torque" guy, but as such, his approach would have to be less than 100%. Lee argues specifically that, if you try to add, or use, muscle power--either positive torque or negative torque--the swing will slow down. I gather he would be someone who would affirm "wallop it with your pivot." From your discussion of the various kinds of torgues, it seems to me that ou don't believe this is correct. Can you explain why? I think that I have been influenced so much by the "no torgue" people, Lee, de la Torre, etc., that I have a hard time seeing how hitting, or the use of positive torque, can add speed to the swing.

 

[ninotchka00]

thanks

No.

If whatever you are thinking, makes you hit good shots, including thinking the moon is made of cream cheese, don't change anything.



In my opinion, this would be the perfect golf lesson:

A golfer comes to you with a severely closed clubface, some throwaway, under plane, over tilted on the backswing. Struggling.

You don't interview them, mentally or physically evaluate them, or test them on any machine.

You tell them ONLY what they need to know. In this case, maybe just put out a towel plane board, and tell them to miss it.

They then start hitting the ball better right away, and in a week, win a MILLION DOLLARS in a tournament, lapping the field.​

I did that once, you know.


All of these Power Generators, and explanations, are NOT for the student. They don't need to know. Me and lots of other teachers, just realized that the "street" and "book" definitions of Drive and Drag Loading, are just slightly out of whack with what is really possible in biomechanics, and what will really hold up with in mathematics.

These are for MY TEACHERS...Mike Finney, Mike Jacobs, Tom Bartlett, Damon Lucas, Chris Hamburger, Ryan Smither, and soon, Kevin Shields.

These are for the forum members who also teach, and like to learn a thing or tow from me.

And, some forum members, who like to increase their knowledge, and sometimes play better becuase of it.


Nice first post by the way.

i do sometimes overcomplicate things. i find it very hard to keep it simple. my game needs so much work. i think that's why i look hard for answers.
you are right ! my game would be better if i kept it simple. thank you.