More ammo for the golf announcer haters

[Kevin Shields]

I just watched Bill Haas sweep hook a wedge on 18. He then proceeded to pose an underplane position followed by a practice tumble (similar to the Alex Noren drill). The announcers proceeded to fumble around as if they had no idea what he was doing. Makes it more of an uphill battle to get proper information out there.

 

[ms1170]

Curt Byrum said last week that Tom Lehman hits the inside quarter of the ball.

 

[wulsy]

I just watched Bill Haas sweep hook a wedge on 18. He then proceeded to pose an underplane position followed by a practice tumble (similar to the Alex Noren drill). The announcers proceeded to fumble around as if they had no idea what he was doing. Makes it more of an uphill battle to get proper information out there.

They're as misguided as we all USED to be. Some get it, some don't. These guys a blabbering bufoons.

 

[wulsy]

Just heard Ewen Murray's expanation of a straight pull by Tiger on 18:

"the shoulders get square and he flips it over, resulting in a straight pull with the driver and the opposite with a short club".

 

[goley]

It would be funny to play a trick on the announcers and have a perfectly straight shot on swing vision for them to analyze when they think the ball was hit out of play. Like they can tell if the clubface was open or closed a bit or if the path was off.

 

[94monarch]

pretty much anything Kay Cockerill says could fall into this discussion. She will take a routine bunker shot and make it out to be the shot heard round the world.

 

[JEREMY5577]

I just watched Bill Haas sweep hook a wedge on 18. He then proceeded to pose an underplane position followed by a practice tumble (similar to the Alex Noren drill). The announcers proceeded to fumble around as if they had no idea what he was doing. Makes it more of an uphill battle to get proper information out there.

I saw Mcilroy do something similar to the tumble drill after he pulled one in round three. He spaced his hands 6" apart on the grip and tumbled in front of him I don't recall ever seeing him do that before.

 

[ekennedy]

I loved seeing Peter Kostis put on the spot yesterday when Kyle Stanley missed the 16th green to the left. Without the ability to watch the video ahead of time, he tried to analyze why Kyle "tugged" his pitching wedge left of the green.

"Set up looks good...his lines look pretty good...nice takeaway...but what you'll probably see is the clubface rolling shut just past impact."

Video rolls....clubface stays square.

Other commentator..."His face actually looks square, almost like he held it off."

Crickets...

Hmmm...square clubface, good lines, steep angle of attack...D Plane anyone?

 

[bcoak]

I loved seeing Peter Kostis put on the spot yesterday when Kyle Stanley missed the 16th green to the left. Without the ability to watch the video ahead of time, he tried to analyze why Kyle "tugged" his pitching wedge left of the green.

"Set up looks good...his lines look pretty good...nice takeaway...but what you'll probably see is the clubface rolling shut just past impact."

Video rolls....clubface stays square.

Other commentator..."His face actually looks square, almost like he held it off."

Crickets...

Hmmm...square clubface, good lines, steep angle of attack...D Plane anyone?

Why did he hook it? In Manuel De Torres book he devotes a chapter to faults and fixes. It would be cool to list faults and then explain why and give a solution

 

[ParHunter]

I loved seeing Peter Kostis put on the spot yesterday when Kyle Stanley missed the 16th green to the left. Without the ability to watch the video ahead of time, he tried to analyze why Kyle "tugged" his pitching wedge left of the green.

"Set up looks good...his lines look pretty good...nice takeaway...but what you'll probably see is the clubface rolling shut just past impact."

Video rolls....clubface stays square.

Other commentator..."His face actually looks square, almost like he held it off."

Crickets...

Hmmm...square clubface, good lines, steep angle of attack...D Plane anyone?

That will still take a long long time until we get that in mainstream media. I remember writing a letter to the Editor for a big UK golf magazine after they run (again) a tip on how to draw the ball by saying 'align your clubpath to were you want to start the ball and the club face where you want it to end'. I told them they should run something on the 'new' ball flight laws and the D-plane. But of course I didn't get any reply nor did they run anything on the d-plane. That just wouldn't look good if they have to admit that their swing tips are a pile of @%^

 

[ekennedy]

To be fair, analyzing Tour quality golf swings in order to show "obvious" errors would be exceptionally difficult...especially live.

But a perfectly "on plane" downswing with a square clubface and "great lines" can still result in a hook due to the downward strike. If Kyle has a tendency, its to get steep.

But I doubt you will ever hear an announcer mention too steep a downswing unless the player hits it fat.

 

[DCgolf]

I loved seeing Peter Kostis put on the spot yesterday when Kyle Stanley missed the 16th green to the left. Without the ability to watch the video ahead of time, he tried to analyze why Kyle "tugged" his pitching wedge left of the green.

"Set up looks good...his lines look pretty good...nice takeaway...but what you'll probably see is the clubface rolling shut just past impact."

Video rolls....clubface stays square.

Other commentator..."His face actually looks square, almost like he held it off."

Crickets...

Hmmm...square clubface, good lines, steep angle of attack...D Plane anyone?

Yea Kostis caught with his pants down on that one for sure. If they took a more honest approach, it would be more tolerable. But I'm betting that Petitti, or one of the head honchos at CBS tells Kostis: "I don't want to hear you have no idea what caused that hook, say something". These fools have no idea what you're talking about anyway".

 

[Bonesy]

How do all of these tour players know the Alex Noren drill? We've seen Haas do it. Dufner does a mini version. Many other players do something similar.

Is the "tumble" taught by tour instructors or do tour players just figure it out for themselves?

 

[gmbtempe]

How do all of these tour players know the Alex Noren drill? We've seen Haas do it. Dufner does a mini version. Many other players do something similar.

Is the "tumble" taught by tour instructors or do tour players just figure it out for themselves?

I don't think its a stretch to see that move from an under planer and likely something their instructor has coached them to do.

 

[wulsy]

How do all of these tour players know the Alex Noren drill? We've seen Haas do it. Dufner does a mini version. Many other players do something similar.

Is the "tumble" taught by tour instructors or do tour players just figure it out for themselves?

How do you think AN knows it? He didn't work it out for himself either.

As I've said before, there are some smart guys teaching golf around the world who don't play the "internet marketing game". The world is a big place with lots of people and not all of them are numpties.

 

[magicmarker]

It would be interesting to know where that drill originated, I saw a top junior golfer doing it a lot on the range at my club a couple of years ago but he moved away before I could ask what he was working on.

If I had to guess.... it was to keep the hands more in front of the body for players who have really fast hips that like to spin out and leave everything else too far behind. Just a guess though...

 

[Phil Rosenbaum]

Did it come from the tiger and butch golf academy live from a while ago where he talked about arching off the bottom of his swing and making sure his body did not out race his arms. I seem to remember him making some downswing rehearsals similar to the Noren drill.

 

[Kevin Shields]

To think that the outward "tumbling" of the clubhead isn't something that a lot of people are aware of, would be inaccurate at best. Like wulsy said, lot of smart people out there. Many, many players would be well served to work only on that IMO. Other things fall into place magically when you allow yourself to apply pressure outward on the face.

 

[Kevin Shields]

It would be interesting to know where that drill originated, I saw a top junior golfer doing it a lot on the range at my club a couple of years ago but he moved away before I could ask what he was working on.

If I had to guess.... it was to keep the hands more in front of the body for players who have really fast hips that like to spin out and leave everything else too far behind. Just a guess though...

Good guess

 

[ggsjpc]

Worst I heard was one announcer saying that a putt didn't break the way it was supposed to because of the location of Phoenix. Apparantly the city of Phoenix has it's own gravitational pull.

Sad.