My Most Recent Swing
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Jim Kobylinski
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That isn't really true because Mike Finney looks at the ball for a while too and he's fine. It's more probably just something you aren't used to do. Most people who end up doing this, end up doing it because they need the "time" to square the face to hit the ball where they want it to go.
If i had you in a lesson and had you hit down and be more open you'd probably hit it right cuz the face would be a little too open for what you're used too.
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You seem to be a good player so i don't think it would take long to adjust, that's why i suggested starting with the chips and pitches and getting those to go at your target with a fairly straight or small draw ballflight. This will teach you to be more open at impact and encourage clubface rotation to get the ball going where you want without a flip.
I'll try and post a detailed drill more later.
junkilo
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of course they do. How do you think you are able to view a video? its not hard to google up how to download a flv encoded video off of youtube or google video. for getting it from an flv to a different size/format I've been using ffmpeg.
michigangolfer+2
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Hi Brian,
We were having this discussion about flipping and the kinetic chain. Both were using the example of a car decelerating/stop and the things in the car moving forward. In flipping, the pivot slowed down causing the hands to flip. In the kinectic chain, the pivot should stop allowing the hands to swing through.
The confusing part is when is it a flip and when are we using the correct kinetic chain principle. Is it possible for a poorly done kinetic chain move to end up as flipping?
Sorry have to bump this up again as some parts are still unclear and need your expert advice.
cheers,
daniel
Hi Brian,
We were having this discussion about flipping and the kinetic chain. Both were using the example of a car decelerating/stop and the things in the car moving forward. In flipping, the pivot slowed down causing the hands to flip. In the kinectic chain, the pivot should stop allowing the hands to swing through.
The confusing part is when is it a flip and when are we using the correct kinetic chain principle. Is it possible for a poorly done kinetic chain move to end up as flipping?
Sorry have to bump this up again as some parts are still unclear and need your expert advice.
cheers,
daniel
3 to +2
If you are going to go from a three to a plus 2, then you'll need to change the mind set.
1) The whole Mat/Garage net, is a killer. Get rid of the mat or spend very little time on it and only for checking something in your movement. Certainly don't practice with it!
2) From the pause at the top, to the eye on the ball, to the nice outfit and the clean garage- you've got all the pieces but no dynamics- "style".
3) "You can see the trees but not the forest". Obviously you like control- and everything fitting in the boxes- but if you don't think long term (the forest) and only short (the trees)- you'll never make it to plus 2.
So here's one example of a correction and why you - in your present mind set - wouldn't allow it to happen.
Get rid of the "fake" pause at the top, hit on top of the ball down with some power and get rid of the eye down so long - allowing movement up and into the finish smoother and faster. So what happens- you hit some good and some bad as you make the change. But the bad ones are ugly, and combined with the feeling that you are "too quick" during the transition, that you are out of control (swinging with some power), that you are not keeping your eye on the ball with the ball spraying in different directions (you have lost your control that you tried so hard to get) - well you revert back to what you have now- which is a 3. Handicap system is full of room with "play" , in other words, that swing is a 3 requiring playing more than once a week and with a lot of practice.
Good (Luck) Thinking!
If you are going to go from a three to a plus 2, then you'll need to change the mind set.
1) The whole Mat/Garage net, is a killer. Get rid of the mat or spend very little time on it and only for checking something in your movement. Certainly don't practice with it!
2) From the pause at the top, to the eye on the ball, to the nice outfit and the clean garage- you've got all the pieces but no dynamics- "style".
3) "You can see the trees but not the forest". Obviously you like control- and everything fitting in the boxes- but if you don't think long term (the forest) and only short (the trees)- you'll never make it to plus 2.
So here's one example of a correction and why you - in your present mind set - wouldn't allow it to happen.
Get rid of the "fake" pause at the top, hit on top of the ball down with some power and get rid of the eye down so long - allowing movement up and into the finish smoother and faster. So what happens- you hit some good and some bad as you make the change. But the bad ones are ugly, and combined with the feeling that you are "too quick" during the transition, that you are out of control (swinging with some power), that you are not keeping your eye on the ball with the ball spraying in different directions (you have lost your control that you tried so hard to get) - well you revert back to what you have now- which is a 3. Handicap system is full of room with "play" , in other words, that swing is a 3 requiring playing more than once a week and with a lot of practice.
Good (Luck) Thinking!
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michigangolfer+2
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Thanks for the responses, but to clear up a couple things...
I do not generally practice in the net. It's at my office and is a easy quick way for me to catch some video and double check what I am working on.
I do not consciously try to either pause at the top or keep my eye on the ball past impact. I personally believe the 'pause' is more of a residual effect of the lateral move (or lack of lower body rotation) to start the downsing. As for the style, I guess I will work on that.
I guess I do not really understand this point, aren't we all trying to better control our swings and by consequence the ball?
Thanks for the suggestion, I wish I could play more than once a week, unfortunately now it's about once every two... But, I will say that in the short time since Jim has addressed this topic I have been to the range a few times and by concentrating on his drill and opening the lower body and the sequence of hips, hands, club a lot of the ills I see in my sewing seem to go away. It will be a struggle to firmly ingrain the changes needed given the amount of time I have to work on it, but I have hit a number of shots since that I like to think Jim would characterize as well struck and seen what a difference there is, so with that and my belief that I am working on the right mechanics, I will definitely stick it out through the process. So thanks again and thanks to Jim for all the help.
Happy Golfing!
I do not generally practice in the net. It's at my office and is a easy quick way for me to catch some video and double check what I am working on.
I do not consciously try to either pause at the top or keep my eye on the ball past impact. I personally believe the 'pause' is more of a residual effect of the lateral move (or lack of lower body rotation) to start the downsing. As for the style, I guess I will work on that.
I guess I do not really understand this point, aren't we all trying to better control our swings and by consequence the ball?
Thanks for the suggestion, I wish I could play more than once a week, unfortunately now it's about once every two... But, I will say that in the short time since Jim has addressed this topic I have been to the range a few times and by concentrating on his drill and opening the lower body and the sequence of hips, hands, club a lot of the ills I see in my sewing seem to go away. It will be a struggle to firmly ingrain the changes needed given the amount of time I have to work on it, but I have hit a number of shots since that I like to think Jim would characterize as well struck and seen what a difference there is, so with that and my belief that I am working on the right mechanics, I will definitely stick it out through the process. So thanks again and thanks to Jim for all the help.
Happy Golfing!
shootin4par
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Here is my stab at it
you need to work on posting your left leg, this will give you the snap of the body that transfers in the kinetic chain to your arms/hands. Your post, left leg, looks too much on your heal of the left leg. Go slow motion and post on your toes and post on your heals, try it both ways and see which one makes you feel like you want to push UP, the jumping up into impact that you see many long hitters do. You look like you rotate your left hip too left and that is why your weight is on your heal at impact, look at many good players at impact and their left toe is it off the ground? post the left leg, which increases second axis tilt, which shoots left shoulder up, which flings club down.
Kinetic energy, the transfer of energy from one thing to another. if both objects are still traveling then the full energy has not been transfered. In the kinetic chain, if a car applies the breaks slowly you do not fly out the window, if it slams on the breaks you do. In a perfect would at impact The hands, arms, shoulders, and body would be still at impact interval and only the club would be moving, so "utopia" is to get as close to that as possible. Because your hips are slowing down, instead of a sudden jolt that is close to stopped, that is why you have leakage.
Notice how your second axis tilt does not increase much through the ball, like someone such as tiger and daly, this is because the posting of the left leg again.
now that being said, if you want a rotary style "one plane" swing some of the stuff I posted may not apply. Then again maybe none of it applies.
Homework
study pictures and look at the left toes of great players at impact
swing slow motion and post onto the left toe and left heal and feel which one posts the left leg better, Put slow motion on tape and look at them both, which one increases your second axis tilt more? Then from there throw away whatever I said you believe does not apply
you need to work on posting your left leg, this will give you the snap of the body that transfers in the kinetic chain to your arms/hands. Your post, left leg, looks too much on your heal of the left leg. Go slow motion and post on your toes and post on your heals, try it both ways and see which one makes you feel like you want to push UP, the jumping up into impact that you see many long hitters do. You look like you rotate your left hip too left and that is why your weight is on your heal at impact, look at many good players at impact and their left toe is it off the ground? post the left leg, which increases second axis tilt, which shoots left shoulder up, which flings club down.
Kinetic energy, the transfer of energy from one thing to another. if both objects are still traveling then the full energy has not been transfered. In the kinetic chain, if a car applies the breaks slowly you do not fly out the window, if it slams on the breaks you do. In a perfect would at impact The hands, arms, shoulders, and body would be still at impact interval and only the club would be moving, so "utopia" is to get as close to that as possible. Because your hips are slowing down, instead of a sudden jolt that is close to stopped, that is why you have leakage.
Notice how your second axis tilt does not increase much through the ball, like someone such as tiger and daly, this is because the posting of the left leg again.
now that being said, if you want a rotary style "one plane" swing some of the stuff I posted may not apply. Then again maybe none of it applies.
Homework
study pictures and look at the left toes of great players at impact
swing slow motion and post onto the left toe and left heal and feel which one posts the left leg better, Put slow motion on tape and look at them both, which one increases your second axis tilt more? Then from there throw away whatever I said you believe does not apply
Fair enough.
Fair enough- you wanted feedback and said fire away, so I just threw out some assumptions/guesses based on what I saw. It's your decision to determine whether they were accurate or not and what if any information to use. Good luck on the game!
Thanks for the responses, but to clear up a couple things...
I do not generally practice in the net. It's at my office and is a easy quick way for me to catch some video and double check what I am working on.
THAT' S GOOD.
I do not consciously try to either pause at the top or keep my eye on the ball past impact. I personally believe the 'pause' is more of a residual effect of the lateral move (or lack of lower body rotation) to start the downsing.
I DIDN'T SAY CONSCIOUSLY- AND WHATEVER THE CAUSE- YOU SHOULD WORK ON IT.
As for the style, I guess I will work on that.
I guess I do not really understand this point,
THAT'S THE PROBLEM AND THE PURPOSE OF THE POST aren't we all trying to better control our swings and by consequence the ball?
Thanks for the suggestion, I wish I could play more than once a week, unfortunately now it's about once every two... But, I will say that in the short time since Jim has addressed this topic I have been to the range a few times and by concentrating on his drill and opening the lower body and the sequence of hips, hands, club a lot of the ills I see in my sewing seem to go away. It will be a struggle to firmly ingrain the changes needed given the amount of time I have to work on it, but I have hit a number of shots since that I like to think Jim would characterize as well struck and seen what a difference there is, so with that and my belief that I am working on the right mechanics, I will definitely stick it out through the process. So thanks again and thanks to Jim for all the help.
Happy Golfing!
Fair enough- you wanted feedback and said fire away, so I just threw out some assumptions/guesses based on what I saw. It's your decision to determine whether they were accurate or not and what if any information to use. Good luck on the game!
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