Kevin Shields
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Yeah, dont try to tumble the right shoulder too much. Thats cheating. Actually you may want to try to hit the stick with your hands so you have to tumble the head out to the ball.
NEW! Brian Manzella YouTube Video - Below Plane and the VSP (+ flying wedge tumble)
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Yeah, dont try to tumble the right shoulder too much. Thats cheating. Actually you may want to try to hit the stick with your hands so you have to tumble the head out to the ball.
jeffgladchun
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Tiger needs to watch this video.
I think that's a bit unfair to Tiger.He's not a hack like everyone here seems to think.He is one of the best iron players on tour.
He looks like he tumbles to my eyes.
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He doesn't, really. He tries to tumble it very late in the downswing, but look at him from the top. The left arm wedge rotates even more (reverse tumble), and then the rest of the downswing is an effort to catch up and try to turn the face back to the plane. His VSP numbers are probably okay, but he's fighting a reverse tumble the whole way.
Remember that the tumble is not simply the clubhead working outside of your hands in the downswing. It is rotating the entire left arm wedge back to the ball (counter-clockwise). If you miss this small detail, you'll never get the whole picture.
All this being said, you can still play good golf with his swing! No one is saying that you can't reverse tumble the club and still hit good shots and play good golf. I have for quite a long time. So has Kevin.
However, once you learn how to do it correctly...
Like I had related in an earlier post, it looked to me that Tiger was rehearsing the tumble at times during the Masters. I think that his very open position at the top is so that he can tumble hard without fear of going left because he is so fast with his lower body. With his irons, he usually is more under control and everything is sync'd up but with the driver he still has trouble catching up to his lower body.
I think there still may be a segment w/ BH in the Golf Channel archives where he basically shows how he wants to tumble the club with the lower body rotation "shallowing out" the path.
I think there still may be a segment w/ BH in the Golf Channel archives where he basically shows how he wants to tumble the club with the lower body rotation "shallowing out" the path.
He does reverse tumble at transition and tumble late to get back on plane.It's a valid pattern.Hogan did it,Sergio does it and a lot of good players.The question is...if you don't do it naturally can it be taught?
The problem with this method is that you have to tumble late.If you don't then you will come into the ball massively underplane.
I believe if you can crack this pattern,you will hit some of the best shots of your life.Tiger hasn't yet with the driver.
Kevin Shields
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Just curious. So you didnt really understand until this video?
Awesome video!!
Brian, (or anyone who wants to comment)
I noticed that in a few of the swings you take while demonstrating the tumble are done with your hands split on the grip. Any validity to making practice swings with a split grip to ingrain the feeling of the tumble?
I'm also trying to make my change of direction "less violent" to stop torqueing the shaft and left arm so much.
Brian, (or anyone who wants to comment)
I noticed that in a few of the swings you take while demonstrating the tumble are done with your hands split on the grip. Any validity to making practice swings with a split grip to ingrain the feeling of the tumble?
I'm also trying to make my change of direction "less violent" to stop torqueing the shaft and left arm so much.
I did understand to some extent but couldn't convince myself to try it until I saw someone demonstrate. I think I was doing this in Feb but was pulling everything so I quit, thinking I was doing it wrong. I did not want to try it again until my mental picture was confirmed.
It depends on your swing. For a guy who has always slowly reverse tumbled the club right from the top, I feel like I have to do it almost right away. The club on the waist downswing is huge for me.
Thanks, for your response. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that you hear that one must delay the release and not straighten your right arm or run out of right arm. I'm just a little unsure how this tumble (which as I understand is a rotation of the left arm flying wedge) relates to the delayed release?
In the video, BM explains the tumble with the SD pattern. I assume that all successful patterns will have some degree of tumble. How would the NHA tumble differ? Should one still look for a vertical left arm at the last point the shaft is horizontal to the ground? Would following the "Yellow Brick Road" accomplish the tumble in that pattern?
lookingtolearn
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Holeout,
In your swing you have a more "normal" one last point and finish compared to what Brian shows in the video (which is more SD). Do you only practice the club on the waist downswing until the "toe up" part, or do you continue on to the end of the swing?
The reason I ask is because I believe I need to use the tumble at startdown, but I do not hit the ball well with an SD finish. I was just wondering how you incorporate the club on the waist downswing drill with your finish.
Thanks.
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