New Free Video: My Whirlwind Week in Florida, Part 1

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StewartBannatyne

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Brian,

The video is awesome...However, for some reason (whether it is my computer, or the video), the video stops just as you begin to talk about the Pivot Swing Center.

I am going to download the file right now and see if that works.

Thanks!
Stew
 
RicoSuave

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GREAT video, thanks a lot Brian,
.... and in the most thrilling moment the 1st part ends :(
like in a soap opera... I have to program my Videorecorder,
when is it scheduled .......? ;)
 
jpvegas1

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Brian:

Great stuff as the others have said. Can't wait for part 2. The swing center that you describe from the recent biomechanists is very close to the one proposed in the book "Search for the Perfect Swing". Looking forward to more revelations from the symposium.
 
RicoSuave

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jpvegas1 said:
Brian:

Great stuff as the others have said. Can't wait for part 2. The swing center that you describe from the recent biomechanists is very close to the one proposed in the book "Search for the Perfect Swing". Looking forward to more revelations from the symposium.
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All this "new" stuff, like -impact deceleration, -from the ground up, -rebound forces, -Moment Of Inertia etc.
are written in the late 60ies by Cochran & Stobbs in their book SFTPS. I don´t know,
why these facts were ignored for such a long time, and now presented as new inventions :confused:
 
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Search for the Search.

Search for the Perfect Swing was a very good book, but had many errors.

Let's talk about your concerns one at a time Rico.

First would be...
 
jpvegas1

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Brian:

I don't think the authors in Search for the Perfect Swing thought that they had all the answer or that they had everything correct. The title for the book says it is a search - not that they had all the anwers. In the forward to the book they said that their research was incomplete and they hoped that future researchers would shed new light on what they presented. They also stated that todays best explanation is often proven wrong as new information is learned.

In that vein, I like what is being done by the TGM group. You are taking Homer's work, testing it and revising if necessary. A weakness of some is that you cannot challenge anything. If it's in the book that's what you must do without questionning.

Homer by all accounts was a brilliant man and wrote an important work. But most of his study was empirical, he did not have access to the high speed digital cameras, computers or biomechanical modelling software available today. He kept studying, questionning and writing new editions to the book because he was always looking for the new knowledge.

Again, I look forward to new information from the symposium.
 
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Wolfman

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The hands

Very informative video, Brian. Thanks for your time.

I learned that "hands controlled pivot" idea elsewhere, and it set me back 2 seasons of crappy golf. Still having a hard time disinfecting myself body/brain from that disease.

Keep preaching Brian - at least we are listening!
 
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Wolfman said:
Very informative video, Brian. Thanks for your time.

I learned that "hands controlled pivot" idea elsewhere, and it set me back 2 seasons of crappy golf. Still having a hard time disinfecting myself body/brain from that disease.

Keep preaching Brian - at least we are listening!
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This is the single most important post in a long time.

When I give a student a lesson (some advice), and then I hear that they were unhappy with the results,

I think I did something wrong.

I think I taught them something wrong.

I go dig for answers, and I dig EVERYWHERE!

I then adjust what I am teaching, and say I was wrong (like on this video about hitting up on a driver).


Some folks think that what they are teaching is infallible.

I know better.

Thanks Wolfman.

Hit 'em good.
 
KOC

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Brian Manzella said:
I then adjust what I am teaching, and say I was wrong (like on this video about hitting up on a driver).
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So, driver up or down?

Dear Brain,

Thanks for all of your stuff including Free videos as well as internet downloadable for purchase versions, I got them all. It is great for golfers like me living so far away from you to view so many good golf instruction videos from you.

It is also the beauty of internet for a TGM fans to come across different preferred stroke patterns and believes from different AI or TGM specialist.

I originally was a switter, I believed, and confused long time regarding the right forearm power and the use of body to do the work. I hit that pretty far with both pattern but not consistent.

In your video, you did that hand control pivot with rigid body while other did that pivot control hand with rigid arm and hands. I think that is not the case.

In the book How to Play Your Best Golf All the Time (1952), the chapter of The art of hitting with the hands， page 97 it read and paint in red：Hold the club firmly with the last three fingers of the left hand, let the left arm and hand act as a guide and whack the hell out of the ball with the right hand. “Just knock hell out of it with your right hand.” - Tommy Armour

I don’t know is that hand control pivot or something, what I believe now is that we need to train them all including hands and body, like Mr. Ben Doyle said our hands need to go to school, to hold the grip correct, to apply pressure, we shall also understand our pivot…Having said that, I am still struggle but I know i am not alone.

Hope that you find a way to neutralize hands and pivot!
 
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KOC said:
So, driver up or down?

Dear Brain,

Thanks for all of your stuff including Free videos as well as internet downloadable for purchase versions, I got them all. It is great for golfers like me living so far away from you to view so many good golf instruction videos from you.

It is also the beauty of internet for a TGM fans to come across different preferred stroke patterns and believes from different AI or TGM specialist.

I originally was a switter, I believed, and confused long time regarding the right forearm power and the use of body to do the work. I hit that pretty far with both pattern but not consistent.

In your video, you did that hand control pivot with rigid body while other did that pivot control hand with rigid arm and hands. I think that is not the case.

In the book How to Play Your Best Golf All the Time (1952), the chapter of The art of hitting with the hands? page 97 it read and paint in red?Hold the club firmly with the last three fingers of the left hand, let the left arm and hand act as a guide and whack the hell out of the ball with the right hand. “Just knock hell out of it with your right hand.” - Tommy Armour

I don’t know is that hand control pivot or something, what I believe now is that we need to train them all including hands and body, like Mr. Ben Doyle said our hands need to go to school, to hold the grip correct, to apply pressure, we shall also understand our pivot…Having said that, I am still struggle but I know i am not alone.

Hope that you find a way to neutralize hands and pivot!
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Not really sure if you are taking a shot at me or not, but, if so, it was subtle.;)

You hit the driver for distance on the way up. Period. I use to think otherwise.

As far a "Switting," I put that in the same catogory as all the other made up stuff in TGM universe.

Almost all Tournament Level Golfers use pulling and pushing, the math doesn't lie and the rest of the data will get out soon.

I'll be standing there, waiting for the rest of 'em.
 
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Oh, and by the way...

That "rigid body" stuff is TRUE.

I had several of them come to me last year just like that, and Wolfman had the same experience.

Part of REAL Teaching is knowing what is being done with the info you sell.

Done incorrectly for sure, but, this is some of the product coming out of that school of thought.

They need to adjust....Or, on second thought, just do exactly the same thing forever.:rolleyes:
 
KOC

KOC

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Admire your good work

Of course not taking a shot at you. I indeed learnt alot from you and took it to the course with very good result.
 
golfbulldog

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Brian,
Thanks for the video - delivering gifts like this at christmas time usually done by that beardy fellow who carries alot more weight than you do! Your diet has worked wonders!

My question is on the driver / hitting up bit. I know that Dr. Zick said that clubhead speed is maximum when shaft lines up with left arm... but is that at low point( level wrist) or just past low point when the left wrist is fully uncocked and still in line.

Does Dr. Zick believe in low point ? If so , then hitting up on driver would mean ball position needs to be forward of low point and clubface will naturally be closing. Hence need to compensate for accuracy if want to make most of the extra clubhead speed. OK for Longdrive but no good for threading a drive down "Hogan's Aley" next year when Open returns to Carnoustie!

Does this sound right or have i got the wrong end of the stick?

Thanks again Brian!
 
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shootin4par

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Just a thought to add
low point, in relation to the ground, and point at which the club is furthest away from your body, are two separate places
 
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