New Free Video: My Whirlwind Week in Florida, Part 1

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Jim Kobylinski

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Hitting up on a driver is tricky because if the club is going "up" then it also is going "in" some amount and is another reason why the longer power hitters are playing open faced heads and tend to play the fade.

If you didn't you'd hit it so far left you'd be playing out of the other fairway. So just be careful how much you hit up on it.
 
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Hurry, Hurry

Okay Brian, I know that you have had a lot of days of rain, but I think you have kept us hangin' for long enough. We need part 2!

Jim S.
 
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Sugar Bowl

Last couple days I'm sure Brian has been in New Orleans having a good time and watching the tigers stomp notre dame. I know I was!
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
Hitting up on a driver is tricky because if the club is going "up" then it also is going "in" some amount and is another reason why the longer power hitters are playing open faced heads and tend to play the fade.

If you didn't you'd hit it so far left you'd be playing out of the other fairway. So just be careful how much you hit up on it.
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I recently heard Tiger say that the newer golf balls spin less and allow for a higher trajectory ball flight and with a fade actually achieve greater distance and better ball control.
 
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hg said:
I recently heard Tiger say that the newer golf balls spin less and allow for a higher trajectory ball flight and with a fade actually achieve greater distance and better ball control.
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Wouldn't that also make hitting a draw easier??? I remember seeing JACK on TGC talking to Jose Maria Olazabel about how new ball technology makes hitting a draw easier.
 
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Balls with less spin obviously make hitting both a draw and a fade harder. Tiger was saying a fade went longer because the more backspin nature of a fade is reduced so instead of a low climbing fade that goes nowhere it will be a higher trajectory more boring fade. I don't know what the hell Jack was talking about but I doubt it made much sense if he's talking about balls with less spin.
 
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Mr Inconsistent said:
Balls with less spin obviously make hitting both a draw and a fade harder. Tiger was saying a fade went longer because the more backspin nature of a fade is reduced so instead of a low climbing fade that goes nowhere it will be a higher trajectory more boring fade. I don't know what the hell Jack was talking about but I doubt it made much sense if he's talking about balls with less spin.
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Maybe he meant that a draw is easier to control now, because of decreased sidespin. I've often heard pros say that they can't hit this shot or that shot, and it sounded to me like they were talking about the ability to control that shot consistently, as opposed to just moving it one way or another. I'm sure that any pro out there can move the ball in either direction at will. Whether or not it goes where they want it to is something different.
 
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Brian, goes to a lot of trouble and expense to attend these summits and film these reviews for free. Cut him some slack guys please!
 
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Brian,
At the start of the video clip (part I), you mention that you saw data from a model that claimed the shoulders were open around 35 degrees at impact (which matches up with axis tilt).

From an earlier post "Real Numbers!" you list some hard data from a famous testing lab that states Tour Players:
Hips 40 degrees open at impact
Shoulders 17 degrees open at impact
Shoulders turned 92 degrees closed (turned) at the top

[EDIT]:http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7349
Here's the thread.

Great data, but I'm not so sure about 35 degrees open at impact, as mentioned in the video. I fully agree that the shoulders need to be open at impact, but 17 seems a lot more reasonable than 35. I don't see many swing sequences or photos of "stock" shots with players having their shoulders 35 degrees open.

Are you able to clear this up for me? Cheers! Thanks for all the info.
 
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hang on...

Well, now I just watched the overhead video of Tom Bartlett and have a different viewpoint. His shoulders appear to be about 35 degrees open at impact, but seem to be about half that at address. So, was the original data stating that the shoulders open (in relation to where they were at address) by 17 degrees, thus giving us 35 degrees open at impact for the average tour player? Then that would mean that the average tour player start with his shoulders open approx. 17 degrees.

Am I even luke-warm on this one?
 
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Bump.

Also, tied in with this data on tour pros' positions: What are everybody's thoughts on the book "Swing Like a Pro" by Ralph Mann? The book is supposed to be a computer-generated composite of about 100 tour professional swings.
 
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Anybody know?

Does the average tour pro have their shoulders 17 degrees open at impact (as per the REAL NUMBERS data), or 35 degrees open at impact, as per Brian's video at the start of this thread? I hate to keep bumping this, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for clarification.

I also have noticed that while many good players' swings seem to have their shoulders square or slightly open at impact when looking from behind, the same swing looked at from an overhead camera angle (which I imagine would be the more telling angle) seems to show their shoulders much more open.
 
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mjstrong said:
Well, now I just watched the overhead video of Tom Bartlett and have a different viewpoint. His shoulders appear to be about 35 degrees open at impact, but seem to be about half that at address. So, was the original data stating that the shoulders open (in relation to where they were at address) by 17 degrees, thus giving us 35 degrees open at impact for the average tour player? Then that would mean that the average tour player start with his shoulders open approx. 17 degrees.

Am I even luke-warm on this one?
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MJ

I don't want to derail the thread, but is Tom's overhead video available on this site? I am a rank newbie here and searched around without any luck.

thanks

Never mind MJ, after posting I found the link in the archives. DOH!!!!

thanks anyway
 
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otto6457 said:
MJ

I don't want to derail the thread, but is Tom's overhead video available on this site? I am a rank newbie here and searched around without any luck.

thanks

Never mind MJ, after posting I found the link in the archives. DOH!!!!

thanks anyway
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It's a great looking swing, I'd like to find other views of it, if available. Welcome to the forum.
 
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