Official 1st Annual Manziposium Thread (now with a dozen things that happened)

Status
Not open for further replies.
B

Brian Manzella

Administrator
I'd give it a B.

The 1st Annual Brian Manzella Golf Swing Symposium is in the books, and it was a success.

The three PHDs had a good time collaborating with each other, and the attendees and the real-world panel all agreed it was a great day.

What came of the scientists conclusions?

It wasn't a real good day for non-dynamic pivots, for one.

The rest?

Well....it will be in the video.

Yup, that's right, we professionally filmed the whole 8 hours and it will be available for anyone who really wants to learn some good hard science about golf.
 
R

Ringer

New
Absolutely fantastic symposium Brian. Thanks to you and Mike for putting on the event. The direct interactions and dialog was great. We could ask questions and get direct answers even if it was, "There just hasn't been any research on that yet".

It was a bad day for non-dynamic pivot enthusiasts. The kinetic link is alive and well with plenty of supportive data. The "run up" is also supported by the science.

The in-to-out paths with open face crowd also took an stiff one to the jaw.
 
B

birly-shirly

New
What was the "non-dynamic pivot" being discussed?

Who is the "in-to-out paths with open face crowd"? Is that open in relation to the clubhead path, or open in relation to the target line?
 
Richie3Jack

Richie3Jack

New
I'm just glad you put it on video for the sake of preserving the info that was discussed. That way if somebody said something, you can always go back and find out exactly what they said and you don't get into the argument of 'I never said that.'




3JACK
 
B

birly-shirly

New
mgranato said:
I believe it's the "push-draw" preferred shot crowd.
Click to expand...

I'm curious to hear what the problem was. If it was just that there's no great advantage in a push-draw over a ball that fades towards the target, then I'm not that surprised. If it's something more fundamental than that, I'd like to hear more.
 
D

Damon Lucas

Super Moderator
mgranato said:
I believe it's the "push-draw" preferred shot crowd.
Click to expand...

Actually, it wasn't directed at anyone specifically. The pivot was discussed extensively with respect to ground forces as well as swing plane ideas, left and right arm positioning.

The reality as well was that most of the discussion was 'power' related rather than solving the riddle of accuracy although there were some very interesting discussions about shafts, clubhead, clubface and impact/separation.
 
R

Ringer

New
mgranato said:
Did other "methods" represent themselves by attending?
Click to expand...

A couple. David Lee was there from Gravity golf. Nice guy and well spoken. I respect what he has done but honestly there were some uncomfortable moments. The force plate work that has been done sorta made for some issues. I don't really want to divulge any more than that.
 
trickyric67

trickyric67

New
I am really looking forward to the video. Will you be editing so you can explain the findings and conclusions with examples?
I get a little excited :D
 
R

Ringer

New
cmartingolf said:
Ringer, share please
Click to expand...

Well lets just say sheer force applied to the ground by the back foot is important according to the bio mechanics. That makes a straightened right leg NON-optimal, and the idea of falling to the left also non-optimal. Possible yes, but from a kinetic sense not desirable. There is always of course though "if it helps the player do something you want them to...". But should it be the standard for all instruction, no.
 
R

Ringer

New
dbl said:
There was about a 20 page thread on weight/force at impact, so kinda curious how that turned out. :)
Click to expand...

Weight seemed to be an inaccurate term. Force plates measure force acting on the ground. Before you jump, you actually make yourself lighter because you aren't resisting the ground as you squat. Then when you do jump, you have to push with more force than your body weight otherwise you would not get off the ground.

As far as how much weight was where, differed alot from player to player. Generally they found more force acting on the ground with the front foot at impact, but it is not an indication of where the center of mass is. It is only an indication of where the forces on the ground are. For example. In that instance above while the player is in the air from jumping their center of mass is not GONE, yet there is no force to the ground. Effectively your "weight" is 0 while you are in the air. But your center of mass hasn't disappeared.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top