Official Application for the job of Tiger Woods new teacher.

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Brian Manzella

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After further consideration....

As I thought about the field of possible instructors Tiger might consider, I reconsider.

I have Foley, at 3-1, and Lynch at 8-1, the rest of the field at 15-1.

Leadbetter at 100 to 1. Harmon at 50-1, McLean at 80-1, someone I have never heard of at 120-1.
 

ggsjpc

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Shift your weight in 2 hundredths of a second?

Didn't he mean 2 tenths??

I know it can be considered picky-uny, but being off by a factor of ten just shows....that......well.....never mind. :)

You wanna hear about how off he can be......Read this:

Sean Foley on Compression


I think this article will haunt him for awhile.

I don't know Sean at all. It's clear that he has some players that play very well. I mean no disrespect to Sean or his ability to help players but this answer is hard to believe. Maybe he was missquoted. I don't know.
 
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I don't know Sean either, but maybe he was just trying to give an answer that nobody else would give.

That seems to be Golf Teacher Marketing 101 these days - you have to present information that nobody else would. That's why these swing fads are always so extreme - the middle of the road doesn't sell.

The One plane / Two plane swing theory is a great example. After everybody started looking at the best ball strikers, the theory was modified to include a "hybrid" model, which included aspects of both, in which most top players fell into.

Just my opinion.
 
It's 2010, we can measure what's going on. No need to make it up. There's nothing wrong getting back to ya on that one.
 
Brian,
I would be interested to know why your opinion on Sean Foley went from initially "NO CHANCE" to now having Foley as the odds on favorite. The line moved a long way in a short period of time. What gives?
 
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ej20

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Based on the likes of Steve Williams and Hank Haney,Tiger prefers to work with low profile,loyal,yes men types.I think that is just as big a consideration as to what and how they teach.
 

jimmyt

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After his father, he has worked with 2 instructors, neither of which are yes men, well I don't believe Butch was..........
 
In my opinion, Butch was a "yes man" at the begining. When he started to move away from being one, Tiger moved on to Haney.

Fluff Cowan lost the most lucrative caddy job in the world by all accounts for becoming too high profile.

Given what we now know about what was going on in Tiger's life away from the course, it is easy to see why Tiger has always placed a high importance on low profile, yes men types within his inner circle.
 

jimmyt

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Are you saying that you think Steve is a YES man. Far from it. You mistaking loyalty for yes man. JMO....... It's not anybody's responsibility but Tiger for Tiger's action.
 
Are you saying that you think Steve is a YES man. Far from it. You mistaking loyalty for yes man. JMO....... It's not anybody's responsibility but Tiger for Tiger's action.

My definition of a YES man: A person of unquestioning obedience.

What I am saying is it would appear that people who have been in Tiger's inner circle appear to have been given the "Fight Club" rules talking to (you don't talk about Tiger, outside of golf there is no Tiger). When these rules are broken, these people are no longer in the inner circle.

This could be deemed loyalty, but if people believe that people within Tiger's inner circle (Steve included) had no idea about what was going on in Tiger's personal life, I think they are being naive. Steve then comes out and says he had no idea that Tiger had be cheating on Elin and if he was aware of it he would of said something. B.S. He knew.

And by know means have I ever said that other people are responsible for Tiger's actions.

Anyway, I have derailed this thread enough.

Who is Tiger gonna get as a swing coach?
 
My definition of a yes man would be someone who agrees with his boss' opinions regardless of whether they truly disagree or not. A yes man would not question a player's club or target selection, green reads, or opinions on preparation.

I don't know if Steve Williams would fall into this Yes Man description.
 

jimmyt

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My definition of a yes man would be someone who agrees with his boss' opinions regardless of whether they truly disagree or not. A yes man would not question a player's club or target selection, green reads, or opinions on preparation.

I don't know if Steve Williams would fall into this Yes Man description.




I agree 100% with your definition. We can differ on opinion, but from everything
I have seen and heard steve do on and off the course, I would never call him a yes man.
have a good evening all.......
 
As I thought about the field of possible instructors Tiger might consider, I reconsider.

I have Foley, at 3-1, and Lynch at 8-1, the rest of the field at 15-1.

Leadbetter at 100 to 1. Harmon at 50-1, McLean at 80-1, someone I have never heard of at 120-1.

I saw a legit betting Web site that had Mike Abbott (Perez, O'Meara and TAIII instructor) as the odds on favorite, followed by Foley.

Rumor has it that Abbott watched Tiger at the Player's, hence the advice Perez gave him.

I think one thing that's going to wind up happening is the instructor is going to probably go away from a lot of things Haney taught. I think that will require the instructor to explain the flaws in Haney's instruction. I don't know about the rest of the board, while I'm apprehensive on who Tiger will pick, I'm really excited about all of this.





3JACK
 

ej20

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I agree 100% with your definition. We can differ on opinion, but from everything
I have seen and heard steve do on and off the course, I would never call him a yes man.
have a good evening all.......

Perhaps Yes man is not the accurate term...subservient shoeshine boy for a very good meal ticket might be more accurate but just sounds a lot worse.Not that there is anything wrong with that.We all have our own ways to get ahead in life and be succesful.To each their own.
 

Brian Manzella

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Tiger's new teacher will...

Whoever gets Tiger, all they have to do is strengthen his grip, get him to lay it off less, and make his whole finish swivel to the one-last-point more like he did back in the day ('97 for sure).

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

They look like a genius, and the press will STILL DEFEND Haney.
 
Brian,
I would be interested to know why your opinion on Sean Foley went from initially "NO CHANCE" to now having Foley as the odds on favorite. The line moved a long way in a short period of time. What gives?

Brian, care to answer this question?
 
You wanna hear about how off he can be......Read this:

Sean Foley on Compression


I think this article will haunt him for awhile.

I don't know Sean at all. It's clear that he has some players that play very well. I mean no disrespect to Sean or his ability to help players but this answer is hard to believe. Maybe he was missquoted. I don't know.

John, how in the hell do you keep up with all this? I think finding this blog link is harder than actually coaching Tiger Woods.
 

Brian Manzella

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Brian, care to answer this question?

This is one of the most important things I have ever said, and VERY important to this question as well.

Here it is:

The Three Undebateable Truths of Golf Instruction by Brian Manzella

1. What the teacher WANTS the student to do differently then they are doing right now.

2. What the student THINKS the teacher wants them to do differently.

3. What the student actually does.

Hunter Mahan's swing is very good, and something I think Tiger would like to do compared to the other swings of the students of all these tour teachers.

I am not sure about nos. 1 & 2 with Mahan. But #3 is good.
 
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