Perfect Impact
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Cool. I like your new skin, Brian.
ok, here's a friendly observation.....
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ChrisSorenson
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Now if Brian or somebody else, can just get me to finish on my left side maybe I can shoot that 72
Are you serious about this? This was one of my problems, too.
Any suggestions on how to fix this? How do you get your students to finish on the left side if they're having problems with this?
Well I'm insensed.... how was I not brought up in this conversation yet?
Just kidding all. Boy it's been a long time since I've posted here.. but I want to say something.
I think that, comming from both a player and teaching point of view, is that not enough INSTRUCTORS learn from others. They think they're right and refuse to think it's possible to do it any other way. As if their brand of physics is better than anyone elses.
I find myself constantly fighting this aggressive "I'm write you're wrong" mentality. The sport is unfortunately filled with alpha male, I'm better than everyone else, mentality.
Now I know that from time to time there are imparatives that I will absolutely stand firm on, and in some cases have very aggressive arguments about them... but I do my best to always at least understand the perspective that my "opponent" is bringing to bear.
In other cases I will argue a point until I'm blue in the face, but then later change my mind because the other argument in fact was more persuasive.
Bottom line is this. You cannot learn if you close your mind. Arguing can lead to major breakthroughs, but only if you're willing to accept them. Most people cannot do this and it's a very fine art. I believe that the more successful I can be at this, the better a player and coach I can become at this game.
I will happily turn over a student to another teacher if I believe that teacher can explain, or understands the subject better than I do. And I am very proud that I can say I will do that. You would be hard pressed to find more than a few in America willing to do such a thing. I believe Brian would turn over a student to someone more qualified in his mind if he believed the student could learn from them... even though we don't always agree, I would turn over a student to him if I knew they could not get the information they were seeking from me.
Just kidding all. Boy it's been a long time since I've posted here.. but I want to say something.
I think that, comming from both a player and teaching point of view, is that not enough INSTRUCTORS learn from others. They think they're right and refuse to think it's possible to do it any other way. As if their brand of physics is better than anyone elses.
I find myself constantly fighting this aggressive "I'm write you're wrong" mentality. The sport is unfortunately filled with alpha male, I'm better than everyone else, mentality.
Now I know that from time to time there are imparatives that I will absolutely stand firm on, and in some cases have very aggressive arguments about them... but I do my best to always at least understand the perspective that my "opponent" is bringing to bear.
In other cases I will argue a point until I'm blue in the face, but then later change my mind because the other argument in fact was more persuasive.
Bottom line is this. You cannot learn if you close your mind. Arguing can lead to major breakthroughs, but only if you're willing to accept them. Most people cannot do this and it's a very fine art. I believe that the more successful I can be at this, the better a player and coach I can become at this game.
I will happily turn over a student to another teacher if I believe that teacher can explain, or understands the subject better than I do. And I am very proud that I can say I will do that. You would be hard pressed to find more than a few in America willing to do such a thing. I believe Brian would turn over a student to someone more qualified in his mind if he believed the student could learn from them... even though we don't always agree, I would turn over a student to him if I knew they could not get the information they were seeking from me.
Mr Inconsistent
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I think Lee Trevino used to say in regards to not ever having a "swing coach" of any kind: "I'll go to a teacher when I find one that can beat me."
Which I think is a pretty good rule of thumb. And especially when taking a tip from fellow players. A lot of times especially when I was a teenager (a scratch teenager) and still now, some two bit pro or random guy will have the most condescending attitude towards me while he tells me obvious or wrong info and as I'm laughing on the inside I'm thinking this guy better shoot in the sixties from the back tees on a somewhat regular basis, I'll be damned if some guy who shoots 75 on a good day is talking to me like this.
Which I think is a pretty good rule of thumb. And especially when taking a tip from fellow players. A lot of times especially when I was a teenager (a scratch teenager) and still now, some two bit pro or random guy will have the most condescending attitude towards me while he tells me obvious or wrong info and as I'm laughing on the inside I'm thinking this guy better shoot in the sixties from the back tees on a somewhat regular basis, I'll be damned if some guy who shoots 75 on a good day is talking to me like this.
birdie_man
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I dunno man....
Tiger Woods could not find a coach on this earth if that was how it worked...
Tiger Woods could not find a coach on this earth if that was how it worked...
Brian Manzella
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Tom Bartlett started a nice thread.
It went down some funny roads.
But here it is in review:
Tom: "Some folks know The Golfing Machine back to front and can't play and some can't teach. Why you figure?"
Brian: "Cuz, it ain't a How-To Play book or a How-to Teach book."
Next subject.
[Oh yeah, The Golfing Machine is plenty of things, but just not those two.]
Tom Bartlett started a nice thread.
It went down some funny roads.
But here it is in review:
Tom: "Some folks know The Golfing Machine back to front and can't play and some can't teach. Why you figure?"
Brian: "Cuz, it ain't a How-To Play book or a How-to Teach book."
Next subject.
[Oh yeah, The Golfing Machine is plenty of things, but just not those two.]
Mr Inconsistent
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Tiger should not be able to find a coach on earth who has the attitude of "ok Tiger, here's how it's done, I'm going to tell you how to play golf" but instead they should have a relationship with him more along the lines of "I would like to humbly offer any help to you I can oh great one."
Talk about a hard job, teaching Tiger. Lot's of pressure and you better be damn sure what you do is of use.
Maybe Brian or some other instructors can answer this question, but how many times have you seen a swing where you've said, Damn, I can't do anything to improve your swing, it's dead on. Let's go focus on short game or something else to improve you...
Maybe Brian or some other instructors can answer this question, but how many times have you seen a swing where you've said, Damn, I can't do anything to improve your swing, it's dead on. Let's go focus on short game or something else to improve you...
Perfect Impact
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Many of my own accomplished players profit from "exploring" sessions where I might pick up on something or impact that may be less than perfect, and I always reinforce what is done well and help to tweak any weaknesses. But the REAL instruction is in assisting the pupil at ANY level truly to understand what he is doing and the ramifications so that HE HIMSELF TEACHES HIMSELF. I share knowledge, I do not tell him what to do. HE TELLS HIMSELF what to do because HE SEES how it is an improvement or adjustment or whatever. At any level, for that matter.
I have never had an advanced pupil who had all the knowledge or understanding of his own swing, no matter how good, who didn't SERIOUSLY gain from having details and stuff explained and clarified. There are many breakthroughs that occur not from "do this" but rather from "O I SEE!"
I have never had an advanced pupil who had all the knowledge or understanding of his own swing, no matter how good, who didn't SERIOUSLY gain from having details and stuff explained and clarified. There are many breakthroughs that occur not from "do this" but rather from "O I SEE!"
birdie_man
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Oh great one.....?
lol....
I'm imagining someone feeding him grapes and gourmet olives and such.....
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Anyway....ya a lot of these teachers seem to be pretty hard-nosed with "this is the way it needs to be done....my ONE way is the right way."
I don't like it.....and especially if "it" is crap. (obviously)
Good salesmen a lot of ppl are.
Golf needs less of this.
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So ya.....I guess you'd prolly be dumb if you were a player and you just straight up "drank the kool-aid" (SO TO SPEAK)....i.e. "took the pill" (so to speak) and only "prescribed" to one way of doing things, without trying anything else.
And on the other hand, if you are the teacher who's givin the orders you better know what the hell you are doing that's for sure.
I'd assume there prolly should be a fair amount of experimenting throughout the process anyway.
Right On, George! To help someone to become their OWN teacher is a great gift!
Too many "huh's???" and not enough "Ah Ha's!!!"
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