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dlam

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M Barber has lags galore on his downswing don't see any lag on his funny looking backswing
So if we are on the same page and agree that great ballstriker stress their shaft on the takeaway(even the tiniest bit) then how does M Barber stress the shaft at takeaway?.
 
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softconsult

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To my eye there is an obvious shaft bend at about 0:06 - 0:07.
Don't know what you are expecting to see, but shaft is not going
to bend much from friction with the grass on the initial takeaway.
 
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jake2

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dlam said:
Steve how does the shaft stress for the players that hover the club prior to takeaway?
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Does not need any contact with the ground and I do not think that's the point here anyway (even if there was some).

When you accelerate the hands (change in velocity), the shaft is going to be stressed by the acceleration forces. Inertia of the clubhead does it.

In takeaway you start from zero velocity (or could even be a change of direction if you start immediately from a forward press). Speeds and forces and much smaller in takeaway than in startdown, so things are less obious, unless you keep your wrists loose enough to let clubhead really lag behind.

At which point it becomes LCT and not "one piece" (or can it be both at the same time?) might be hard to define and even harder to see from video as there are infinite number of degrees of lag.

From physics point of view, there is some stressing of the shaft even if you start by moving the clubhead by bending your wrists first, but that's not the point here I suppose.
 
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savydan

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So there's force across the shaft even in the first foot of the backswing....hmmmmmm......

Next thing you're going to say is if the clubhead starts on the ground and then it comes off the ground there must have been some force along the shaft as well......hmmmmmmm...
 
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jonnygrouville

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'Hmmm's from me as well. Not sure about any of this. You can definitely feel some stress in the shaft with the lagging clubhead takeaway. And this might be one of the benefits (for some people) of assembling the power-package in this way - momentum seems to add more obvious pressure in the grip.
 
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jonnygrouville

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Got it. Brush up the grass and then cut the roots.

Have got Never Hook Again as well, but clearly need to revisit both as I still don't see how the lagging clubhead takeaway could be good for someone with a hook.
 
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jonnygrouville said:
Got it. Brush up the grass and then cut the roots.

Have got Never Hook Again as well, but clearly need to revisit both as I still don't see how the lagging clubhead takeaway could be good for someone with a hook.
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I guess it depends on what is causing the hook. Does the ball start at the target and go left? or start right of the target and go left? or start left and go left?
 
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spktho said:
I guess it depends on what is causing the hook. Does the ball start at the target and go left? or start right of the target and go left? or start left and go left?
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Thanks for your reply.

A little bit of both. High ballflight all the time, bad shots are high rights, pretty straight going left with the longer clubs. So a little bit of path and a little bit of face - the clubface tends to get a little shut at the top and must be a bit underplane overall.

I was hoping for some more detail on the advice that a lagging clubhead takeaway could be good for people hitting hooks. Never Hook Again recommends a more arm-dominated takeaway and backswing to go more "up the wall" and less inside. However, later on it recommends a more lagging clubhead takeaway to make a more on-plane takeaway, and this seems a more pivot-orientated move... with the risk of getting too far inside.

I am guessing these are all tools available to people hitting hooks so need to experiment in the absence of lessons...
 
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