One Hour Conversation with Fredrik Tuxen this morning...

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Rate of closure???

Nobody that can teach a lick is trying to have a decent golfer bring the club into the ball with the face wide open and slam it shut.

Brian to your golfing community you should show what wide open is- and in relation to what?Where is it open?

Would Loren Ochoa clubface be open?


This is where some of the posters are confused- not me>
 
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Dariusz J.

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Kevin Shields said:
So may musicians and artists that were natural geniuses I'm sure had technique snobs scoffing at the way in which they went about their methods. Mickelsons the same way, pure golfing genius.
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Agree 100%.


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It always cracks me up when people get on their high horse about someone like this stalling and flipping, as if they are thumbing their noses at his swing. And he could give all of us 5 a side or more. I wonder how many pure naturals growth have been stunted by people who said they couldn't make it with this or that technique.
I wonder how many people that don't like his swing have stood side by side with him and watched him hit balls on the range? He just plays the game and attempts shots and tries to score in a manner that not too many are familiar with.
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And it always cracks me up when people think that if someone is a champion in any sport discipline cannot be criticized validly because he's able to achieve hell better results than the criticizing person. It is a pure nonsense, unless the critics has no strongly based merits.
There is no sport discipline that couldn't confirm what I am saying in the two above sentences.

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It should be noted right here right now, that if you are not a good player, or a good teacher (who makes all or part of your living doing it) and you don't teach on TrackMan, or at least a FSx2, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE, then at least part of this conversation is OVER YOUR HEAD.

If you have a horse in the race, folks should deduct 75% of what you say.

Sorry, but that is the stone cold truth.
 
Dariusz J.

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Brian Manzella said:
It should be noted right here right now, that if you are not a good player, or a good teacher (who makes all or part of your living doing it) and you don't teach on TrackMan, or at least a FSx2, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE, then at least part of this conversation is OVER YOUR HEAD.

If you have a horse in the race, folks should deduct 75% of what you say.

Sorry, but that is the stone cold truth.
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99% of my meritoric posts (not mentioning my silly posts that I am guilty of often) concerns macroscale where I know probably more than all tour players together. I do not need anything you mentioned to be an expert (albeit amateur) in this sphere. That's the stone cold truth.

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Dariusz J. said:
99% of my meritoric posts (not mentioning my silly posts that I am guilty of often) concerns macroscale where I know probably more than all tour players together. I do not need anything you mentioned to be an expert (albeit amateur) in this sphere. That's the stone cold truth.

Cheers
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Really was not talking about you, but....

At least part of this conversation is over your head.

Lots of your posts on you fav subject is over my head. :)
 
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Really was not talking about you, but....

At least part of this conversation is over your head.

Lots of your posts on you fav subject is over my head. :)
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OK, sorry Maestro, I thought you've directed your last post to myself.
I am perfectly in accordance with what you have said.
That's why I do not take part in the conversations concerning the art of microscale instruction because I wouldn't be able to help much and probably could even darken the picture with my lack of knowledge in this sphere, total lack of experience and lack of tools you mentioned.

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Dariusz J.

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Brian Manzella said:
Dariusz,

I think you get it.

I promise, is you had a TrackMan, you'd really get it.
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Probably you're right. If my goal is real teaching, it would be a must to have this tool. There are 2 of them in Poland (imagine that LOL) in the Leadbetter Academy in Wroclaw. National Junior Team (when my son belongs) often practices there, so I know the power of it.
I do not plan to become a pro (at least for now), not have such big amount of money to invest for pleasure of having such a toy (at least for now) ;)

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Brian Manzella said:
It should be noted right here right now, that if you are not a good player, or a good teacher (who makes all or part of your living doing it) and you don't teach on TrackMan, or at least a FSx2, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE, then at least part of this conversation is OVER YOUR HEAD.

If you have a horse in the race, folks should deduct 75% of what you say.

Sorry, but that is the stone cold truth.
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So, is this conversation over the head of Frederick Tuxen then? Or is he a good enough player to understand?
 
drewyallop

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Kevin Shields said:
So may musicians and artists that were natural geniuses I'm sure had technique snobs scoffing at the way in which they went about their methods. Mickelsons the same way, pure golfing genius. He wins when he makes smart decisions, not improves techniques so much, even though he's won some despite bad tactical errors. It always cracks me up when people get on their high horse about someone like this stalling and flipping, as if they are thumbing their noses at his swing. And he could give all of us 5 a side or more. I wonder how many pure naturals growth have been stunted by people who said they couldn't make it with this or that technique.
I wonder how many people that don't like his swing have stood side by side with him and watched him hit balls on the range? He just plays the game and attempts shots and tries to score in a manner that not too many are familiar with.
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Like Kevin.

Thelonius Monk, Glenn Gould. Hand position at the keyboard violated every orthodoxy. Heard them play?
 
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Maximum compression is when the golf ball gets programmed for flight, yes? So then the golf ball is ONLY aware of this nana- second or whatever it is...it does NOT know impact or rate of closure or post departure. Now we, AS TEACHERS, might want to know rate of closure for the sake of REPEATABILITY for our students. if someone is a slammer or flipper and squares the face like that every time (or more often than not) I might TEACH a slightly open face coming down. If another is a "pivoter" and slower crossover guy, I might TEACH a squarer face coming down. But the net result would be the same, I'm just trying to match up components based on that persons tendencies.
 
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DCgolf said:
Maximum compression is when the golf ball gets programmed for flight, yes? So then the golf ball is ONLY aware of this nana- second or whatever it is...it does know impact or rate of closure or post departure. Now we, AS TEACHERS, might want to know rate of closure for the sake of REPEATABILITY for our students. if someone is a slammer or flipper and squares the face like that every time (or more often than not) I might TEACH a slightly open face coming down. If another is a "pivoter" and slower crossover guy, I might TEACH a squarer face coming down. But the net result would be the same, I'm just trying to match up components based on that persons tendencies.
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Thankfully there are smart people out there....

(BTW, you meant the ball DID NOT know impact or rate of closure—right?)
 
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