Path or Clubface
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faux_maestro
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Why is that? I could see having the individual numbers for the top players being a good thing. Especially if you could see the numbers for each of the leaders in specific categories (straightest drivers, longest drivers, leaders of total driving, approaches from 225-250, 175-200, 150-175 etc.) instead of the "tour averages". The averages can be skewed by players who aren't optimum/are lower ranked whereas the leaders in each category might be a better way to determine what we should be doing.
I choose answer C, the state of mind, assuming we are talking about folks with close to ideal, highly repeatable swing grooved over years to the highest standard, folks with no face or path problems as a whole. the 99 percentile folks.
By state of mind I mean if the player is not most optimally committed to the execution of the shot, from a variety of reasons, say, pressure/anxiety building up inside, fatigue leading to brief second of mental daze, a little twitch in the lumbar area, etc, the timing of the swing may be slightly off. It is conceivable that one nanosecond deviation from the optimal norm may lead to a shot with either path or face problem or both. At their swing speed, this tiny flaw can blossom into a ball flying way off the course.
By state of mind I mean if the player is not most optimally committed to the execution of the shot, from a variety of reasons, say, pressure/anxiety building up inside, fatigue leading to brief second of mental daze, a little twitch in the lumbar area, etc, the timing of the swing may be slightly off. It is conceivable that one nanosecond deviation from the optimal norm may lead to a shot with either path or face problem or both. At their swing speed, this tiny flaw can blossom into a ball flying way off the course.
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It wasn't long ago you said square to the face of the plane not open, I'm not sure you have actually changed your mind on this.
Who do you want? I have a lot.
mgranato
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Luke.
Matt Bryda
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Jared Willerson
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James,
I don't know where you get your info but Brian has never said square to the plane line for a zeroed out straight shot.
You guys....
I don't know where you get your info but Brian has never said square to the plane line for a zeroed out straight shot.
You guys....
Read this page Jared. Post 82 down. Note I didn't say square to the planeline, you did.
http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfin...bis-swing-many-other-things-9.html#post187598
Why drop the 'you guys' line? Unnecessary.
http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfin...bis-swing-many-other-things-9.html#post187598
Why drop the 'you guys' line? Unnecessary.
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magicmarker
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Gary Woodland, Jason Day, Ricky Fowler, Bubba Watson, Nick Watney
Thanks Jarid.
Could someone please explain to my simple mind in simple terms what happened with shot 3? As I understand it:
He hit 2* down.
The clubhead was travelling 4.5 degrees left (left of what exactly?)
His HSP/swing direction was 6.7* left (left of what exactly?), and the 4.5* (above) was the true path because he hit down 2* with his given VSP. BTW, how does trackman define swign direction/HSP?
So far so good?
The face alignment was 0.8* left (left of what exactly?) thus meaning it was open to the true path by 3.7* and open to the swing direction/HSP by 5.9*.
The ball started 1.3* left (of what exactly?) which was between the face and the true path but much closer to the face and had 5.9* of "slice" spin because the face was open to the true path.
It landed 12.0 yds right (right of what exactly) and bounced another 2.3yds right ending 14.3 yds right.
His smash factor of 1.49 was higher than his average suggesting that he maybe hit it a little off the toe side, but not enough off the toe to produce a big "gear effect hook".
Am I taking shite?
Thanks for any help.
Could someone please explain to my simple mind in simple terms what happened with shot 3? As I understand it:
He hit 2* down.
The clubhead was travelling 4.5 degrees left (left of what exactly?)
His HSP/swing direction was 6.7* left (left of what exactly?), and the 4.5* (above) was the true path because he hit down 2* with his given VSP. BTW, how does trackman define swign direction/HSP?
So far so good?
The face alignment was 0.8* left (left of what exactly?) thus meaning it was open to the true path by 3.7* and open to the swing direction/HSP by 5.9*.
The ball started 1.3* left (of what exactly?) which was between the face and the true path but much closer to the face and had 5.9* of "slice" spin because the face was open to the true path.
It landed 12.0 yds right (right of what exactly) and bounced another 2.3yds right ending 14.3 yds right.
His smash factor of 1.49 was higher than his average suggesting that he maybe hit it a little off the toe side, but not enough off the toe to produce a big "gear effect hook".
Am I taking shite?
Thanks for any help.
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mjstrong
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"of what exactly" would be the target line, ie. where the trackman was aimed. I'd say that, you're correct; he probably did hit it a little off the toe. Given his vertical and horizontal differentials, I'd expect (through 3D diagramming, not calculations) a spin axis tilted right about 15 degrees (EDIT: 14.95° after calculating). Since his resulting SA was only 5.9 degrees, a toe hit was likely the cause.
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How great would it be to get access to all those numbers?
I'd love to...I asked Matt F, my rep and another guy at the users conference. I guess its proprietary info?
mjstrong
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Well, what I call "Vertical Differential," Trackman calls Spin Loft. So, that's the vertical angle between +11.9° (Vertical Face) and -2° (Vertical Path) = 13.9°.
Horizontal Differential is the horizontal angle between the 4.5°L Face and the 0.8°L = 3.7°. It's just a calculated number that represents the horizontal component of 3D Spin Loft. The angle above would be the vertical component of 3D Spin Loft.
Horizontal Differential is the horizontal angle between the 4.5°L Face and the 0.8°L = 3.7°. It's just a calculated number that represents the horizontal component of 3D Spin Loft. The angle above would be the vertical component of 3D Spin Loft.
Michael Finney
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I guess the answer would be to have a tour player snap hook a few accidentally on trackman......good luck with that as they are not snap hooking it too much on the range...
When trackman is on the course the setup is for ball flight only I'm assuming.......
I think that Sasho Mackenzie's stuff on shaft bending modes and it's effect on club face orientation is a big clue as to which parameter is most guilty when crappy shots are hit.....that and centeredness of contact which raise spin numbers a bunch
When trackman is on the course the setup is for ball flight only I'm assuming.......
I think that Sasho Mackenzie's stuff on shaft bending modes and it's effect on club face orientation is a big clue as to which parameter is most guilty when crappy shots are hit.....that and centeredness of contact which raise spin numbers a bunch
mjstrong
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I think each of our own interpretations of what the "cause" is could still yield either answer.
Does a shot that starts more or less at the target and hooks off of it (assume: face at target, path inside-out) and a shot that starts left of the target and hooks from there (assume: path at target, face closed) have different "causes?"
Does a shot that starts more or less at the target and hooks off of it (assume: face at target, path inside-out) and a shot that starts left of the target and hooks from there (assume: path at target, face closed) have different "causes?"
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