Pivot and snapping kinetic chain

[rprevost]

My defintion is similar to what Lead did in his early books. The backswing starts with an immediate bending back of the right wrist. I just dont see any other athletic move that does this. The force from the body and momentum from the weight should have a more dominant role in hinging the club. And the transition will bend it more. Just like throwing a ball. He loved that pre set drill with your wrists hinged fully before your core did anything. I worked so hard on an early set when i was young because I didnt know any better. It's a hard habit to break. I am 6'1" 190 lbs and very athletic and constantly got outhit by smaller players. In the last year with no equipment change I have gained at least 12-15 yds in the air.

I am probably asking something that has been gone over many times before, but can you explain why pre-setting the hands would lead to a loss of distance, or point me to some threads that discuss this? I am trying to understand the mechanics.

 

[niblick1]

I am probably asking something that has been gone over many times before, but can you explain why pre-setting the hands would lead to a loss of distance, or point me to some threads that discuss this? I am trying to understand the mechanics.

Having more motion and movement away from the target helps you bend the shaft more in the downswing. Brian would say you want to bend the fishing pole moving backwards when casting a fly-rod so you can bend it more on the actual forward cast. Moving dynamically into a finished backswing position in sports is (almost?) always more powerful than moving to a preset position, holding it for some time (which in a really athletic wind-up or backswing you can't really hold the position easily), and then moving forward. You could study the optimal "finish of the backswing" wrist position for throwing a baseball or football and learn to throw by starting your throw with the wrist pre-set, but the question is whether you'd set the wrist in the correct plane to make the forward throw you want to make and whether you'd throw the ball as far. It's hard to imagine anyone throwing most things further by pre-setting end-of-windup positions (like wrist cock) before winding-up.

 

[mandrin]

Great minds think alike

The trick is learning to separte your arms-hands-and-club, The "Power Package," from your pivot.

Try making an otherwise normal swing, and STOPPING your pivot cold when it reaches the impact position. Allow your Power package to fly by.

It'll take some time, but the results will be startling.

Then you have to learn to separate your wrist from your arms. Much harder.

In your swing Joe, the first step will be the most important one.

Sure.

Here is the deal:

You have to KNOW where "impact hips" are. [Hint: way to the left of address, slightly open]

Then, get to that point before hitting the brakes.

Remember, once you learn to separate the segments, you just swing and don't think about it any more.

Brian,

Interesting posts. They reminded me, many moons ago, when I started to use math models analyzing exactly these types of concepts on another golf forum. It was then called by its inventor, ‘swinging to a point’ and ‘pinning’ and I remember trying to analyze ‘inertial pushing’ with the trail arm. The ‘swinging to a point’ is equivalent to ‘stopping the pivot’ and the resulting ‘pinning’ likely equivalent to ‘snapping the kinetic chain’.

What is I think is quite fun for a instructor is to have a solid skeleton on which he can drape his ideas as they develop and take substance knowing that they are based on a solid scientific foundation and not on commercial slogans more geared to sell and attract and not really free of contradictions. As there are many instructors when demonstrating are contradicting there ideas and concepts.

There are still numerous clowns around who are vocal to continuously dismiss science as useless for golf but it is interesting to see how you embrace wholeheartedly real science and the latest technology to enrich your teaching.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I am probably asking something that has been gone over many times before, but can you explain why pre-setting the hands would lead to a loss of distance, or point me to some threads that discuss this? I am trying to understand the mechanics.

It's always more powerful to move into a position than to try and hold one.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Absolutely Babe!

There are still numerous clowns around who are vocal to continuously dismiss science as useless for golf but it is interesting to see how you embrace wholeheartedly real science and the latest technology to enrich your teaching.

I am going to spend a whole week at two consecutive "Teaching Summits" and single only presentation that I am looking forward to is Dr. Aaron Zick.

You give me the science, I'll figure out how to use it, and get farther ahead of the pack.

 

[benhogan55]

Also, that book is a great example of "proceed with caution" when buying books written by tour players. Most of the swing thoughts or mechanics are what work for THEM. Take Price. The whole sit into the right hip as the first move down worked for him because one of his main faults was a slide of the lower body. I know a few people who were obsessed with his swing and it was hilarious if not pathetic watching them try to "steepen,then flatten. Sit in the right hip,etc."

I learned the game from Faldo's books. They're really good but I OD'd on alot of that material because I already hit from the inside and his books stressed "hitting from behind your body with alot of right hand." Next I was having BPS lasting for more than 4 hours, and there was no physician I could see

Do you think this stemmed from his quick tempo?

 

[birdie_man]

The trick is learning to separte your arms-hands-and-club, The "Power Package," from your pivot.

Try making an otherwise normal swing, and STOPPING your pivot cold when it reaches the impact position. Allow your Power package to fly by.

It'll take some time, but the results will be startling.

This teaches him TO "shake the sugar" yes?

Then you have to learn to separate your wrist from your arms. Much harder.

What does this mean?