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Might be better off going to the Trackman site and reading a few newsletters. It really helped me to understand the little I know about the numbers.
Post "Well-Timed Release" Teaching.....you want evidence?? Here's your evidence!
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Might be better off going to the Trackman site and reading a few newsletters. It really helped me to understand the little I know about the numbers.
"In a world where guys who can't break 80 are swing "experts"--
Are you saying that someone that is a 10 handicap has no right teaching golf or not enough knowledge to teach golf or was this directed at someone personal.
I will listen to anybody if I think they can help me.
Are you saying that someone that is a 10 handicap has no right teaching golf or not enough knowledge to teach golf or was this directed at someone personal.
I will listen to anybody if I think they can help me.
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I believe that Brian is saying you don't become an expert just by saying you are one or can use V1 home software.
Plenty of guys that can break 70 that can't teach and aren't experts and probably guys that can't break 85 that can teach and are experts. However, if you don't teach and can't break 80 you shouldn't hold yourself out as an expert or have such a dogmatic conviction of your beliefs until you try them out yourself under pressure and actually play golf.
I know one joker (excuse any pun) that ignores impact information (ex. attack angle, club path, face angle (especially)) and the real reason (I guess) he ignores this information is that he doesn't fully believe in the D plane and/or gear effect upon the face at maximum compression. He can't look at ballflight and then back to Trackman numbers and figure out what happened. No precision whatsoever from him about impact data so he's just guessing what happened at impact or why one move on video works so well for others. So what does he do? Just throws his hands up and disparages impact devices.
Why disparage impact devices when they're so helpful? Hidden agenda?
If you listen to everybody you'll end up being lost. At least listen to teachers who reference their patterns back to impact. Brian does this the best in my opinion, but there are others who do this as well.
Plenty of guys that can break 70 that can't teach and aren't experts and probably guys that can't break 85 that can teach and are experts. However, if you don't teach and can't break 80 you shouldn't hold yourself out as an expert or have such a dogmatic conviction of your beliefs until you try them out yourself under pressure and actually play golf.
I know one joker (excuse any pun) that ignores impact information (ex. attack angle, club path, face angle (especially)) and the real reason (I guess) he ignores this information is that he doesn't fully believe in the D plane and/or gear effect upon the face at maximum compression. He can't look at ballflight and then back to Trackman numbers and figure out what happened. No precision whatsoever from him about impact data so he's just guessing what happened at impact or why one move on video works so well for others. So what does he do? Just throws his hands up and disparages impact devices.
Why disparage impact devices when they're so helpful? Hidden agenda?
If you listen to everybody you'll end up being lost. At least listen to teachers who reference their patterns back to impact. Brian does this the best in my opinion, but there are others who do this as well.
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Well, that depends on who the 10 capper is. If he's a well trained, accomplished teacher with significant
experience then yes, this person has a right to teach. If, on the other hand, he's a 10 capper that has a
subscription to Golf Digest and is a golf forum junkie who quite possibly is addicted to 5L then, no, this
person should not be teaching.
If you adhere to your last comment, your chances of becoming a good golfer are in jeopardy.
Good job on the nums.
Questions though, two cuts that fly almost 300 yard at 114? What ball ya playin'? Driver? Was there a tail wind?
These shots must have been hit right on the sweet, but the second ball shouldn't have been to the right.
This is really encouraging if it's possible to get this kind of distance with 114.
What's missing here?
Questions though, two cuts that fly almost 300 yard at 114? What ball ya playin'? Driver? Was there a tail wind?
These shots must have been hit right on the sweet, but the second ball shouldn't have been to the right.
This is really encouraging if it's possible to get this kind of distance with 114.
What's missing here?
Only way shot goes to the right with face closed to path is with gear effect. 7 yards off line is pretty straight to me even with the slight gear effect.
hp12c
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Amen brodda!
Thanks for information.
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dschultz6072
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323 yards away is a long way. To be even within 10 yards of center is pretty damn good. Consider how wide a fairway is.
Brian Manzella
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The impact of the club is the evidence that the ball needs.
I read somewhere once that we never have any nice looking swings up on this forum. This is one of the reasons.
I am professional. I do not EXPLOIT my students for my gain if I thought it MIGHT hurt their games. And ANY SWING put up on the internet, is basically going to get ripped up if it doesn't look better than Ben Hogan's.
So, Robert's swing is NOT going up until we win something of note. I DO NOT want him thinking about STUPID STUFF I would NEVER say.
And that sort of goes for all my good players. Lindsay Gahm has to hear all the time that her swing is too upright and she has too much shift from folks that she can give 4 a side to. Kevin Shields has some swings up, but I really hope he never puts up another.
I put DTs swing up a couple of weeks ago and it is getting plastered all over dodge, with the most amateurish comments ever. Might be the last time I ever put one up of him again.
The point of the thread was simple—if you are talented and apply yourself, our teaching will make you a longer hitter.
Now, if you are the downside of your youth and strength, we might just keep what you got, or prevent further slippage. But, the stuff works, folks.
I read somewhere once that we never have any nice looking swings up on this forum. This is one of the reasons.
I am professional. I do not EXPLOIT my students for my gain if I thought it MIGHT hurt their games. And ANY SWING put up on the internet, is basically going to get ripped up if it doesn't look better than Ben Hogan's.
So, Robert's swing is NOT going up until we win something of note. I DO NOT want him thinking about STUPID STUFF I would NEVER say.
And that sort of goes for all my good players. Lindsay Gahm has to hear all the time that her swing is too upright and she has too much shift from folks that she can give 4 a side to. Kevin Shields has some swings up, but I really hope he never puts up another.
I put DTs swing up a couple of weeks ago and it is getting plastered all over dodge, with the most amateurish comments ever. Might be the last time I ever put one up of him again.
The point of the thread was simple—if you are talented and apply yourself, our teaching will make you a longer hitter.
Now, if you are the downside of your youth and strength, we might just keep what you got, or prevent further slippage. But, the stuff works, folks.
dschultz6072
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I wonder how his girlfriend's head would look like on a stick!Someone said these numbers don't mean anything without video proof...
Kevin Shields
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To some degree that may be true
Makes you wonder, would Floyd, Trevino, Brewer, and even Furyk have been the players they became if they got hung up on video and tried to look like Hogan...My favorite quote by Brian is still "the ball doesn't care"
a lot of people still get hung up on how the swing looks instead of focusing on the ball flight.
a lot of people still get hung up on how the swing looks instead of focusing on the ball flight.
fadegolfer
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If you study the 4 players you mentioned in the impactzone, you will notice some distinct similarities to Hogan in terms of the way they released the club, its no coincidence that they hit the ball as well as they did. Furyk is very similar to hogan in terms of the way he released the club. Consistency of ballflight is where you should look when judging a swing
Dariusz J.
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Agree 100%.
Besides, Tuxen & Co. used Furyk as a model for consistency and zeroing numbers out of all pros. No surprise.
Cheers
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