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birly-shirly

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Brian Manzella said:
Michael Jacobs and I just found out we have received the funding—both foreign and domestic—for a project the backers have dubbed "Project 168."

After speaking to several attendees at the ANTI-SUMMIT, the two groups contacted us, and have requested:

A book that explains the ball-club collision, ball flight, math models, and biomechanics, and classifies the possible elements that would produce tour quality golf swings.

They want the explanations in very understandable volume, that can be easily updatable.

They want us to start right away.

They also want very little leaks from the findings, but will allow us some to help promote our business.

We will keep you folks as updated as we can...

We are very excited.
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Brian and Michael

Congratulations on attracting the financial backing. But are any of us (non-pros) likely to see the published work? Sounds like the backers might be interested in some kind of parallel CPD and/or accreditation programme. In which case, not for consumer access...?

Curious - does the funding cover research - or just the write up of what is already known to you?

Nice win regardless, but curious how this will work for you.
 
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Congratulations Brian. I think a lot of us are looking forward to the release of the book. Put me on the waiting list for a reserved copy please.

EDIT: Any clues as to what the "168" stands for?
 
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Dariusz J. said:
Are medical doctors of some important specialities also involved in the project ?

Cheers
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Dariusz,

Why don't you put forward your list of
a) the specialities that you perceive to be important to the golf swing,
b) the names and qualiifications of specialists within those specialities,
and c) some reasons(brief) why those specialities are pertinant.
 
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And that is that.

birly-shirly said:
Brian and Michael

Congratulations on attracting the financial backing. But are any of us (non-pros) likely to see the published work? Sounds like the backers might be interested in some kind of parallel CPD and/or accreditation programme. In which case, not for consumer access...?

Curious - does the funding cover research - or just the write up of what is already known to you?

Nice win regardless, but curious how this will work for you.
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The end game is a book.

A readable book, written in a way that covers all the bases, and has the sources of all pertinent disciplines.

The funding covers research trips, and expenses.

The book will be published, and available to anyone.
 
Dariusz J.

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Brian & Damon,

IMHO, first stage:
- orthopaedia expert (movements of human body, ranges of motion of joints, etc.)
- ophtalmologist (eyedness)

Second stage (advanced):
- neuroscientist (reactions, conscious and subconscious mind, learning process, etc.)
- physical medicine (abilities).

Cheers
 
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@Brian

Cool. Really didn't know that this would be the case, but I think that's great now that I understand.

Does this mean you're writing TWO books - or will this swallow up the project you've spoken about before?

Not that I don't think you've got 2 books in you...
 
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birly-shirly said:
@Brian

Cool. Really didn't know that this would be the case, but I think that's great now that I understand.

Does this mean you're writing TWO books - or will this swallow up the project you've spoken about before?

Not that I don't think you've got 2 books in you...
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So "Project 168" as a team effort, not just me and Mike Jacobs, but the other Manzella guys will participate in the research.

"Confessions of a Former Flipper," is a book I have worked on for a while now, and will try to complete this winter.

It is a "Little Red Book" style, conversational piece.
 
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Dariusz J. said:
Brian & Damon,

IMHO, first stage:
- orthopaedia expert (movements of human body, ranges of motion of joints, etc.)
- ophtalmologist (eyedness)

Second stage (advanced):
- neuroscientist (reactions, conscious and subconscious mind, learning process, etc.)
- physical medicine (abilities).

Cheers
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In the U.S.:
For Orthopedic specialties, I would suggest contacting the Kerlan/Jobe Orthopedic Clinic in Inglewood, CA. They have been sports medicine specialists for many years.

As far as physical medicine, it is called a physiatrist in the U.S., I worked one pro beach volleyball(AVP) weekend as a chiropractic intern and Sten Kramer, M.D. was the physiatrist traveling with the tour.

I don't know if the above have done any golf specific research, but they are involved with many athletes.
 
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How long of a project is this going to be? Whats the projected publish date? Can I request a first edition signed copy?
 
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BrianM ... there is a lot of scientific studies out there that are all disconnected from a common theme that culminates in a golfswing.

You guys better get your sh!t together if you want to publish something that's a credible mix of science and good teaching practice ... that's if I understand you correctly.

Science simplifies .. if you understand the science ... like mandrin, and me to a lesser extent of course ... ;)
 
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SteveT said:
BrianM ... there is a lot of scientific studies out there that are all disconnected from a common theme that culminates in a golfswing.

You guys better get your sh!t together if you want to publish something that's a credible mix of science and good teaching practice ... that's if I understand you correctly.

Science simplifies .. if you understand the science ... like mandrin, and me to a lesser extent of course ... ;)
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Have you seen my "Essential D-Plane" video?
 
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Good luck!

This sounds like a really interesting endeavor and I'm anxious to see the result.

With the TGM background that Brian and Mike have they should realize what they're up against to make a "very understandable volume". I have plenty of friends I play with who are very good sticks. I find that I get just as big a blank stare when I mention hsp, vsp, and spin-loft as I do when I mention hinge action. All reasonable descriptions IF you're interested in digging into the meaning.

This will be a good test of dumbing it down for the masses.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Robbohank said:
This sounds like a really interesting endeavor and I'm anxious to see the result.

With the TGM background that Brian and Mike have they should realize what they're up against to make a "very understandable volume". I have plenty of friends I play with who are very good sticks. I find that I get just as big a blank stare when I mention hsp, vsp, and spin-loft as I do when I mention hinge action. All reasonable descriptions IF you're interested in digging into the meaning.

This will be a good test of dumbing it down for the masses.
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No doubt.

We can see the pitfalls of "vague" and non-comprehendable as well.

Useful and Useable are the goals.
 
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Dariusz J.

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spktho said:
In the U.S.:
For Orthopedic specialties, I would suggest contacting the Kerlan/Jobe Orthopedic Clinic in Inglewood, CA. They have been sports medicine specialists for many years.

As far as physical medicine, it is called a physiatrist in the U.S., I worked one pro beach volleyball(AVP) weekend as a chiropractic intern and Sten Kramer, M.D. was the physiatrist traveling with the tour.

I don't know if the above have done any golf specific research, but they are involved with many athletes.
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I am quite sure that there are one of the best specialists worldwide in these branches in the USA. Unfortunately, in my amateur work on biokinetics I used mainly Polish sources (BTW, Polish specialists in medicine are very good and regarded very highly in the world) and it would be hard to recommend someone outside my country. The only one thing I could do is to quote English-language authors of net publications that I benefitted from.

Cheers
 
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