Right arm pick up - Amen brother

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Have to thank Brian for the right arm pick-up concept. After messing with it in front of the mirror and seeing the great positions, I played with it today. New to me, so I wasn't spot on all the time, but when I did the simple move right I felt at the top like "Good lord, I am going to pound this ball!" Was killing my irons for me and dead straight or slight fade (6 irons 185 in cool damp air).

Tougher for me to be as tight with the driver, but when I did I whacked the rascal.

For me, it felt like a right arm pickup and hit/throw through the ball with a dead left arm (i.e., no muscle action in left at all if I could help it). The left arm bit is totally contrary to much of my former book learning, but it was far easier, cleared easier, released the club easier and it was less stressful on my body.

Amen.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by galanga

For me, it felt like a right arm pickup and hit/throw through the ball with a dead left arm (i.e., no muscle action in left at all if I could help it). The left arm bit is totally contrary to much of my former book learning, but it was far easier, cleared easier, released the club easier and it was less stressful on my body.

[Bold by Yoda.]

When I was 25 years old, there were Monday mornings when I could barely get out of my car. I had days where I conducted business from the floor of my office. It got to the point where I couldn't play more than three or four holes before shooting back spasms would send me to my knees. Medical and chiropractic advice was sought aggressively, but in vain. Not fun.

Today, at 58, I hit at least 2,000 balls each week, and guess what? No pain! Why?

Because I finally learned to use correctly my Pivot, my Arms and the muscles in my upper torso to move the Golf Club. If I hadn't...

You wouldn't be reading this.
 
Thanks Yoda. It sure feels nice at the top when done right. I really have to concentrate on not using my left arm or else my shoulders start to turn flat and I am too around. And, if my left arm has the chance on the downswing, it pulls and never lets go and leads to blocks and lots of body stress.

I find it much harder to do this move with a driver, I think, because of the distance to the ball and the gentle slope of the shaft when addressing the ball. I tend to want to swing too flat.

Do you have any guidance on the right arm pickup with the driver? Or, should I just keep working on getting the feel I have with a 5 iron and try to get that with the driver? It's hard for me to get that down down through the ball with the driver that I have with the 5 iron. It feels like I have to go out out.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by galanga

Do you have any guidance on the right arm pickup with the driver? Or, should I just keep working on getting the feel I have with a 5 iron and try to get that with the driver? It's hard for me to get that down down through the ball with the driver that I have with the 5 iron. It feels like I have to go out out.

The Backstroke Move -- Hands to the Turned Right Shoulder -- should Feel the same from Sand Wedge to Driver. However, with the Driver, the Ball is located near Low Point (opposite the Left Shoulder); hence, it will Feel more 'Sweeping' and less 'Down and Through' than with a five-iron. After all, we're talking about a bottoming arc of only a half dozen inches in a Circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a five foot Radius (Left Arm and Clubshaft). Nevertheless, the 'Down' will be there (or your Shot will not be as powerful or as accurate as it could have been).

And the Driver Stroke definitely will feel more 'Out' -- as you have correctly described it -- because it will be: you are further away from the Ball and you must go further 'out' to reach it. Stay with The Magic of the Right Forearm...

It will work wonders in your Game.
 
I have Yoda to thank teaching me the right forearm take away.

Yoda, at the workshop we hit balls from 2pm to just about 8pm. I hit more eight irons, obviating the low point plane line, one ball at a time. I remember hearing someone say that the lesson tees never looked like that after other schools. :D
Any way, normally I can't play a round of golf without an advil or two but to my surprise, I didn't even reach for the bottle once.
Correct motions are priceless. Thanks.
 
The right forearm pickup is AWESOME BABY!! I just learned how to do this two weeks ago and it is so simple to do when you actually understand it (Thanks Yoda!!). The real key to understanding it was two things that Yoda gave me during my lessons and I almost blew them off because they seemed TOO SIMPLISTIC. Wrong again Mr. Nasty!

The first is the dowel drill. Yoda told me to get a dowel and trace the plane line every day. He wanted me to learn how to straighten the right arm without unbending the right wrist. Seemed pointless at times until the light bulb went off in my head and I saw and felt exactly what my right arm is doing. (triceps expanding on the downswing).

Also, Yoda gave me a huge elastic band thingamajigge and I overlooked it's usefulness as well. This puppy is the real deal. It allowed me to feel the pickup, extensor action, and the expanding tricep coming back to the ball. This is really forcing me to take my shoulder back down plane versus over the top of the plane. When I started with the right forearm focus, I was "wiping" a few shots (shoulder over the top per Yoda's observation), but this pretty much has fixed it. Again, I am a hitter, so all of my focus is purely on the right arm which jibes perfectly with my background in tennis and baseball.

I love this stuff, but I still have miles to go before I sleep!

E.
 
quote:Originally posted by DukeNasty

The right forearm pickup is AWESOME BABY!! I just learned how to do this two weeks ago and it is so simple to do when you actually understand it (Thanks Yoda!!). The real key to understanding it was two things that Yoda gave me during my lessons and I almost blew them off because they seemed TOO SIMPLISTIC. Wrong again Mr. Nasty!

The first is the dowel drill. Yoda told me to get a dowel and trace the plane line every day. He wanted me to learn how to straighten the right arm without unbending the right wrist. Seemed pointless at times until the light bulb went off in my head and I saw and felt exactly what my right arm is doing. (triceps expanding on the downswing).

Also, Yoda gave me a huge elastic band thingamajigge and I overlooked it's usefulness as well. This puppy is the real deal. It allowed me to feel the pickup, extensor action, and the expanding tricep coming back to the ball. This is really forcing me to take my shoulder back down plane versus over the top of the plane. When I started with the right forearm focus, I was "wiping" a few shots (shoulder over the top per Yoda's observation), but this pretty much has fixed it. Again, I am a hitter, so all of my focus is purely on the right arm which jibes perfectly with my background in tennis and baseball.

I love this stuff, but I still have miles to go before I sleep!

E.

Can you expand on what you do with the elastic bands?

Thanks
 
i want to echo what several have stated here. the magic of the right forearm pick-up is truly magical! i used to struggle to find a way to take the club back (left shoulder, etc.), but this was devinitely comfortable from the very start. as long as i maintain the radius of my left arm- the pick-up is now automatic. i finally can take the driver back as easily as the wedge. thank yoda, thanks brian and thanks to all who conribute to this forum. i really appreciate you sharing your vast knowledge with us. brian, any news on the tapes, i can't wait to see the finished product?

jim
 

EdZ

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What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

Would a 'more verticle' rock skip be a good analogy? (at 45 degrees to the ground)
 
quote:Originally posted by galanga


For me, it felt like a right arm pickup and hit/throw through the ball with a dead left arm (i.e., no muscle action in left at all if I could help it). The left arm bit is totally contrary to much of my former book learning, but it was far easier, cleared easier, released the club easier and it was less stressful on my body.

Amen.

Hi:

So the left arm isn't supposed to do anything on the downswing, including any pulling? For swining I mean.

What is the name of the elastic band that Yoda uses at his workshops.Where could I order it from

Bye
 

bcoak

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Originally posted by EdZ

What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

I would say a slap shot in hockey (may be a tough move for you southerners). One of the best ball striking streaks I had was a long time back where I bent over a little more from the waist, and swung like I was taking a slapshot. Closest i came to qualifying for a US AM was with this move. I never knew why this worked, but now reading about the RFT it makes me realize that this is what I was doing. For my practive swings I was actually gripping it like a hockey stick w/ the right hand down the shaft. This could be my winter drill!
 

rundmc

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I've seen the elastic band thingie. Ecox showed me. Basically you attach it to the ground at a point that would be your aiming point on the plane line. Then you establish your wedges and take it to the top holding the band with pp3. Pretty cool gives you a visual of the straight line delivery. Take it up and down.

Is this is to show the angle of approach or angle of attack? Just trying to get my terminology straight.

Where the heck do you get the elastic stuff though?
 

EdZ

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bcoak - I love that drill - split grip drill. One of the single best swing builders IMO. But does that sometimes get you into a 'too flat' move, too much around and not enough pick 'up'? It certainly really helps you get the right arm extension feel, like no other drill. Very powerful when combined with a figure 8 strap or a swing jacket (the modern version of the figure 8 IMO) - but the jacket can be dangerous if misused and has a fatal flaw of too much restriction going through. Excellent backswing aid though.

What are your thoughts on the split grip drill holenone? the swing jacket? the figure 8?

How would you use these to help get the feel for proper RFP?

Thanks - EZ
 

bcoak

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

bcoak - I love that drill - split grip drill. One of the single best swing builders IMO. But does that sometimes get you into a 'too flat' move, too much around and not enough pick 'up'? It certainly really helps you get the right arm extension feel, like no other drill. Very powerful when combined with a figure 8 strap or a swing jacket (the modern version of the figure 8 IMO) - but the jacket can be dangerous if misused and has a fatal flaw of too much restriction going through. Excellent backswing aid though.

What are your thoughts on the split grip drill holenone? the swing jacket? the figure 8?

How would you use these to help get the feel for proper RFP?

Thanks - EZ

I would describe the practice swing that I was making as a really exagerated split grip. I was moving my right hand down to the steel, about half way down. Holding it above the ground and swinging. Didnt seem too flat.
 
To all:

The Elastic Stuff that Yoda used is similar to a Tension Band used by work out nuts. I'm sure you could find some at a Sporting Goods store or maybe even online. I'll do some checking and report. Althoug a different material, you may also be able to find a longer piece of surgical tubing...

FL-John
 

EdZ

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If you are in golf posture to practice with the bands, where do you position\anchor the band on the ground relative to your stance? In other words, what angle does the stretched band make with the ground for this drill?
 

rundmc

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rundmc

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

If you are in golf posture to practice with the bands, where do you position\anchor the band on the ground relative to your stance? In other words, what angle does the stretched band make with the ground for this drill?

This may not be correct. But I think that you would basically establish your plane line and attached the cord to the ground somewhere in front (or behind depending on the club) of the ball. This would represent your aiming point. So more forward for shorter clubs and farther back for longer clubs. This just shows you the line in three dimensional space where you direct your thrust. Back up & in and down out & forward.
 
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