Right arm pick up - Amen brother

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

Would a 'more verticle' rock skip be a good analogy? (at 45 degrees to the ground)

I don't know if it's a sport, but Clapping your hands is the motion you want. I know, I know -- that sounds too simplistic, but that is exactly</u> the motion as taught by none other than Master Yoda.

1. Put your hands straight out in front of you, arms parallel to the floor and your palms touching. Your hands shouldn't be pulled in to your chest, nor should they be extended as far as you can reach. They should be about half-way -- giving you a bent right arm. Without moving your Left Arm, just move your right hand as though you were clapping hands with your stationary left hand. At first, only move the right hand about 1 foot back and forth. You are doing this motion on a horizontal plane. There is nothing tricky here and you do not have to think about it. It's just clapping.

2. Continue, but let the right hand go back 2 feet.

3. Continue, but let the right hand go back "half-way" (right palm looking in the same direction you're facing).

4. Hold your hands in front of you as per #1 and bend from the waist to your address position. Repeat drills #1, #2 and #3 from this angled plane.

5. Repeat #4 with your Flying Wedges assembled. Make sure when you clap the Left Hand, your Flying Wedges are still intact.

That's it.

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

If you are in golf posture to practice with the bands, where do you position\anchor the band on the ground relative to your stance? In other words, what angle does the stretched band make with the ground for this drill?

The band would be anchored on the ground at the ball position.

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

Would a 'more verticle' rock skip be a good analogy? (at 45 degrees to the ground)

I don't know if it's a sport, but Clapping your hands is the motion you want. I know, I know -- that sounds too simplistic, but that is exactly</u> the motion as taught by none other than Master Yoda.

1. Put your hands straight out in front of you, arms parallel to the floor and your palms touching. Your hands shouldn't be pulled in to your chest, nor should they be extended as far as you can reach. They should be about half-way -- giving you a bent right arm. Without moving your Left Arm, just move your right hand as though you were clapping hands with your stationary left hand. At first, only move the right hand about 1 foot back and forth. You are doing this motion on a horizontal plane. There is nothing tricky here and you do not have to think about it. It's just clapping.

2. Continue, but let the right hand go back 2 feet.

3. Continue, but let the right hand go back "half-way" (right palm looking in the same direction you're facing).

4. Hold your hands in front of you as per #1 and bend from the waist to your address position. Repeat drills #1, #2 and #3 from this angled plane.

5. Repeat #4 with your Flying Wedges assembled. Make sure when you clap the Left Hand, your Flying Wedges are still intact.

That's it.

Would you agree that your right elbow would stay 'fairly' still, and the forearm would pivot around it?

Sounds very much like a right hand/palm slap motion

 

[TomATL]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by galanga

For me, it felt like a right arm pickup and hit/throw through the ball with a dead left arm (i.e., no muscle action in left at all if I could help it). The left arm bit is totally contrary to much of my former book learning, but it was far easier, cleared easier, released the club easier and it was less stressful on my body.

[Bold by Yoda.]

When I was 25 years old, there were Monday mornings when I could barely get out of my car. I had days where I conducted business from the floor of my office. It got to the point where I couldn't play more than three or four holes before shooting back spasms would send me to my knees. Medical and chiropractic advice was sought aggressively, but in vain. Not fun.

Today, at 58, I hit at least 2,000 balls each week, and guess what? No pain! Why?

Because I finally learned to use correctly my Pivot, my Arms and the muscles in my upper torso to move the Golf Club. If I hadn't...

You wouldn't be reading this.

Hi Lynn,

Slightly off-topic, but I'd love to spend a few hours with you sometime to see you illustrate this concept for me in a way I can really grasp. I've been almost there with right-arm pickup and my takeaway in general (I think), but lose it quickly.

When it's "there", I feel like I get my right elbow way up in the air, and that my r forearm is more on-plane...and I just kill the ball. It's a very "solid" feeling for me, and golf gets easy when I hit that slot. When it's not, I end up pushing my right elbow back behind me on my takeaway, make a late, desperate move to bring it up into the proper position...and end up all over the park.

(I live in Atlanta, so getting over to see you wouldn't be a problem - if you're willing to accept such a case, that is )

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

Would a 'more verticle' rock skip be a good analogy? (at 45 degrees to the ground)

I don't know if it's a sport, but Clapping your hands is the motion you want. I know, I know -- that sounds too simplistic, but that is exactly</u> the motion as taught by none other than Master Yoda.

1. Put your hands straight out in front of you, arms parallel to the floor and your palms touching. Your hands shouldn't be pulled in to your chest, nor should they be extended as far as you can reach. They should be about half-way -- giving you a bent right arm. Without moving your Left Arm, just move your right hand as though you were clapping hands with your stationary left hand. At first, only move the right hand about 1 foot back and forth. You are doing this motion on a horizontal plane. There is nothing tricky here and you do not have to think about it. It's just clapping.

2. Continue, but let the right hand go back 2 feet.

3. Continue, but let the right hand go back "half-way" (right palm looking in the same direction you're facing).

4. Hold your hands in front of you as per #1 and bend from the waist to your address position. Repeat drills #1, #2 and #3 from this angled plane.

5. Repeat #4 with your Flying Wedges assembled. Make sure when you clap the Left Hand, your Flying Wedges are still intact.

That's it.

Would you agree that your right elbow would stay 'fairly' still, and the forearm would pivot around it?

Sounds very much like a right hand/palm slap motion

Although the forearm travels around the elbow (like feeler guages), the elbow is also moving because that forearm is going back, up and in. The more the forearm has to move, the more the elbow will travel. By "travel" I mean increasing the distance between the elbow and torso as opposed to just being moved by the pivot. So, for a small motion, the right elbow would stay "fairly still". But, at the top of a full swing, the space between the right elbow and the torso will be significant -- maybe as much as 18" depending on your build.

 

[wanole]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

Would a 'more verticle' rock skip be a good analogy? (at 45 degrees to the ground)

I don't know if it's a sport, but Clapping your hands is the motion you want. I know, I know -- that sounds too simplistic, but that is exactly</u> the motion as taught by none other than Master Yoda.

1. Put your hands straight out in front of you, arms parallel to the floor and your palms touching. Your hands shouldn't be pulled in to your chest, nor should they be extended as far as you can reach. They should be about half-way -- giving you a bent right arm. Without moving your Left Arm, just move your right hand as though you were clapping hands with your stationary left hand. At first, only move the right hand about 1 foot back and forth. You are doing this motion on a horizontal plane. There is nothing tricky here and you do not have to think about it. It's just clapping.

2. Continue, but let the right hand go back 2 feet.

3. Continue, but let the right hand go back "half-way" (right palm looking in the same direction you're facing).

4. Hold your hands in front of you as per #1 and bend from the waist to your address position. Repeat drills #1, #2 and #3 from this angled plane.

5. Repeat #4 with your Flying Wedges assembled. Make sure when you clap the Left Hand, your Flying Wedges are still intact.

That's it.

Would you agree that your right elbow would stay 'fairly' still, and the forearm would pivot around it?

Sounds very much like a right hand/palm slap motion

Although the forearm travels around the elbow (like feeler guages), the elbow is also moving because that forearm is going back, up and in. The more the forearm has to move, the more the elbow will travel. By "travel" I mean increasing the distance between the elbow and torso as opposed to just being moved by the pivot. So, for a small motion, the right elbow would stay "fairly still". But, at the top of a full swing, the space between the right elbow and the torso will be significant -- maybe as much as 18" depending on your build.

wonderful, then I guess I don't understand right forearm pickup.
I thought the right elbow would stay in pretty close if you fan the forearm and pick it up to say a waiter holding a tray. Kepping the bent right wrist. If I do that the right elbow barely moves. What am I missing here?

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by wanole

wonderful, then I guess I don't understand right forearm pickup.
I thought the right elbow would stay in pretty close if you fan the forearm and pick it up to say a waiter holding a tray. Kepping the bent right wrist. If I do that the right elbow barely moves. What am I missing here?

There isn't much, if any, elbow separation while the clubshaft is below parallel. As you move toward the Top, some have more separation between the elbow and the torso than others. The important thing is that everything is moving On-plane, back, up and in[/b].

For bigger gaps at the Top of the swing:
Craig Stadler (Hitter): http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/136421/1/4982303

Kenny Perry (Hitter):http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/81497/1/2831358

Steve Flesch (Swinger)http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/79844

For smaller gaps at the Top of the swing:
Stuart Appleby (Swinger)http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/79718

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by TomATL

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by galanga

For me, it felt like a right arm pickup and hit/throw through the ball with a dead left arm (i.e., no muscle action in left at all if I could help it). The left arm bit is totally contrary to much of my former book learning, but it was far easier, cleared easier, released the club easier and it was less stressful on my body.

[Bold by Yoda.]

When I was 25 years old, there were Monday mornings when I could barely get out of my car. I had days where I conducted business from the floor of my office. It got to the point where I couldn't play more than three or four holes before shooting back spasms would send me to my knees. Medical and chiropractic advice was sought aggressively, but in vain. Not fun.

Today, at 58, I hit at least 2,000 balls each week, and guess what? No pain! Why?

Because I finally learned to use correctly my Pivot, my Arms and the muscles in my upper torso to move the Golf Club. If I hadn't...

You wouldn't be reading this.

Hi Lynn,

Slightly off-topic, but I'd love to spend a few hours with you sometime to see you illustrate this concept for me in a way I can really grasp. I've been almost there with right-arm pickup and my takeaway in general (I think), but lose it quickly.

When it's "there", I feel like I get my right elbow way up in the air, and that my r forearm is more on-plane...and I just kill the ball. It's a very "solid" feeling for me, and golf gets easy when I hit that slot. When it's not, I end up pushing my right elbow back behind me on my takeaway, make a late, desperate move to bring it up into the proper position...and end up all over the park.

(I live in Atlanta, so getting over to see you wouldn't be a problem - if you're willing to accept such a case, that is )

Hi Tom,

Send me a Private Message on the site www.chuckevansgolf.com and let's talk. Or, give me a call. I'm in the book.

 

[woodmo]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

What other actions in sports would compare to the RFP 'feel'?

Would a 'more verticle' rock skip be a good analogy? (at 45 degrees to the ground)

I don't know if it's a sport, but Clapping your hands is the motion you want. I know, I know -- that sounds too simplistic, but that is exactly</u> the motion as taught by none other than Master Yoda.

1. Put your hands straight out in front of you, arms parallel to the floor and your palms touching. Your hands shouldn't be pulled in to your chest, nor should they be extended as far as you can reach. They should be about half-way -- giving you a bent right arm. Without moving your Left Arm, just move your right hand as though you were clapping hands with your stationary left hand. At first, only move the right hand about 1 foot back and forth. You are doing this motion on a horizontal plane. There is nothing tricky here and you do not have to think about it. It's just clapping.

2. Continue, but let the right hand go back 2 feet.

3. Continue, but let the right hand go back "half-way" (right palm looking in the same direction you're facing).

4. Hold your hands in front of you as per #1 and bend from the waist to your address position. Repeat drills #1, #2 and #3 from this angled plane.

5. Repeat #4 with your Flying Wedges assembled. Make sure when you clap the Left Hand, your Flying Wedges are still intact.

That's it.

RWH, thanks for the most understandable explanation of the right forearm pickup that I have read. It helped to verify that I am doing it correctly. Since I am just beginning to try to understand TGM I have a question. What do you mean by keeping the Flying Wedges intact? I understand the right flying wedge but the left one I am unsure of. Thanks.

 

[6bee1dee]

The left wedge begins with a flat left wrist. If the shaft is extended through your grip, a wedge would be formed. It remains a wedge when accumulator 3 is either c0cked or level as long as the wrist stays flat. This left wedge is supported by the bent right wrist which creates a strong 90 degree strut to it. The reason the left wrist becomes flat is because the right wrist bent.
Yoda has written much on this on chuck’s site because the flying wedge concept is so important. Knowing the wedges is key. The wedges are a microTGM.

 

[DougT]

Got a chance to try this on the range last night and it works good for me

I have always struggled with the backswing move and any real improvement has been limited as I'm always working on that part of my swing not leaving any time to really focus on anything else.

With the right forearm pickup it felt to me that everything takes care of itself and I arrive at the top in good shape, leaving me free to start working on the downswing move.

Like galanga it started to fall off with the longer clubs for me but it's early days yet

Thanks for everyone's help,

Doug.

 

[DukeNasty]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

Yoda has written much on this on chuck’s site because the flying wedge concept is so important. Knowing the wedges is key. The wedges are a microTGM.

Understanding the wedges IS critical. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yoda did a demonstration when he shows how the wedges are in tact all the time (using just his arms without a club) and I have watched this over and over again on video. The move of the right elbow bending and lifting the strut up into place was key for me. As you say, microTGM!!!

E.

 

[wanole]

quote:Originally posted by DukeNasty

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

Yoda has written much on this on chuck’s site because the flying wedge concept is so important. Knowing the wedges is key. The wedges are a microTGM.

Understanding the wedges IS critical. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yoda did a demonstration when he shows how the wedges are in tact all the time (using just his arms without a club) and I have watched this over and over again on video. The move of the right elbow bending and lifting the strut up into place was key for me. As you say, microTGM!!!

E.

Can you get any of this video on this board? I think I understand the wedges and pickup, but then someone says something that makes me feel I don't. oh the frustration.

 

[FanofHogan]

quote:Originally posted by wanole

quote:Originally posted by DukeNasty

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

Yoda has written much on this on chuck’s site because the flying wedge concept is so important. Knowing the wedges is key. The wedges are a microTGM.

Understanding the wedges IS critical. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yoda did a demonstration when he shows how the wedges are in tact all the time (using just his arms without a club) and I have watched this over and over again on video. The move of the right elbow bending and lifting the strut up into place was key for me. As you say, microTGM!!!

E.

Can you get any of this video on this board? I think I understand the wedges and pickup, but then someone says something that makes me feel I don't. oh the frustration.

Exactly. I've been seeing comments about the right forearm pickup and flying wedges posts on two different boards the past week. I know it is all with nothing but good intentions that they provide links to pictures etc. But I would like to see a picture or a video of someone setting up to the ball in the right forearm set up with a club and a ball, not the dowell rods. And, when I say that please no one take that as an insult or that I am ungracious for the dowell rod links etc because I truly appreciate anyone going to any length to help others. I'd just like to see it in an actual set up with a club.

 

[DukeNasty]

quote:Originally posted by FanofHogan

quote:Originally posted by wanole

quote:Originally posted by DukeNasty

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

Yoda has written much on this on chuck’s site because the flying wedge concept is so important. Knowing the wedges is key. The wedges are a microTGM.

Understanding the wedges IS critical. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yoda did a demonstration when he shows how the wedges are in tact all the time (using just his arms without a club) and I have watched this over and over again on video. The move of the right elbow bending and lifting the strut up into place was key for me. As you say, microTGM!!!

E.

Can you get any of this video on this board? I think I understand the wedges and pickup, but then someone says something that makes me feel I don't. oh the frustration.

Exactly. I've been seeing comments about the right forearm pickup and flying wedges posts on two different boards the past week. I know it is all with nothing but good intentions that they provide links to pictures etc. But I would like to see a picture or a video of someone setting up to the ball in the right forearm set up with a club and a ball, not the dowell rods. And, when I say that please no one take that as an insult or that I am ungracious for the dowell rod links etc because I truly appreciate anyone going to any length to help others. I'd just like to see it in an actual set up with a club.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to any video, but it is the exact same thing Yoda describes in his Magic of the Right Forearm primer Hint: Pay particular attention to the part where he describes the lifting of the right forearm off the table while keeping the right wrist bent.

The big difference is that I was lucky enough to have it demonstrated to me by Yoda because there were several things I didn't understand just by casually reading the forums. Pictures and feels made the words come alive for me. Call me "TGM-Dumb I guess.

E.

 

[wanole]

quoteictures and feels made the words come alive for me. Call me "TGM-Dumb I guess.

You're not he only one. I think us TGM beginners all fight trying to visualize what is being expalained here.
I hope it's ok to post this here, but I looked at Chuck evans site and saw the video of right arm extensor. That seems to give/show you right arm pickup. It made it much clearer to me seeing it on video.

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by woodmoSince I am just beginning to try to understand TGM I have a question. What do you mean by keeping the Flying Wedges intact? I understand the right flying wedge but the left one I am unsure of. Thanks.

The Left Arm Flying Wedge refers to the Vertical Alignment of the Left Arm and Clubshaft (the Left Wristcock is a vertical motion).

The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is positioned at RIGHT ANGLES to the plane of the Left Wristcock. Keep that alignment through the exercise.

 

[EdZ]

IMO the best way to learn RFP is to do the 'pull the left thumb' drill. It will show you the proper right forearm motion, and help you understand the importance, and advantages of, extensor action.

 

[DukeNasty]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

IMO the best way to learn RFP is to do the 'pull the left thumb' drill. It will show you the proper right forearm motion, and help you understand the importance, and advantages of, extensor action.

This is a great drill because it really helps me feel biceps taking the club up and triceps taking the club down. I also do something similar with the "stretchy thingamajigee" given to me by Yoda!

E.

 

[FanofHogan]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

IMO the best way to learn RFP is to do the 'pull the left thumb' drill. It will show you the proper right forearm motion, and help you understand the importance, and advantages of, extensor action.

Care to expand on what the 'pull the left thumb' drill entails?