Right Shoulder Down, Out, And Around.....

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tallathlete

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Hi....I am new to this forum and a novice at golf. My question concerns the right shoulder movement in the downswing. If I am correct the right shoulder moves down toward the ball in the downswing. It then, obviously, must move forward and then back up and around to the left. In my swing I have been told I have too much down...and not enough out and around. How do we get the "out and around" without coming over the ball and swinging across the line? Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Kevin Shields

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First we have to figure out why your shoulder has too much down in the first place.......compensation for something, tall athlete?
 
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tallathlete

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I don't know Kevin...thats why I need your expert advice. I am not aware of a need to compensate...but that doesn't mean much.
 
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tallathlete

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Heres my move. I have never had a golf lesson....totally self taught. Any constructive criticism is welcome.............


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIslkeEEg8o[/media]



My shoulders simply do not work correctly on the downswing....yes?
 
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My advice is don't mess up that swing with a lot of technical stuff. If it ain't broke don't fix it. It sure doesn't look broke to me. Right shoulder, looks fine.

Now if the ball isn't going where you want it to go, with consistency, then yes, look for fixes.

Your swing is already better than 99% of all people currently playing golf!
 
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tallathlete said:
Heres my move. I have never had a golf lesson....totally self taught. Any constructive criticism is welcome.............


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIslkeEEg8o[/media]



My shoulders simply do not work correctly on the downswing....yes?
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Over swing arms going back. Use pecs to hold both arms together. Your right sholder is going back as a means to increase your backswing turn and your left sholder is lifting and rolling up under your chin to giv it more backswing. Keep uour left sholder down so it crosses your chest not your neck and keep your right elbow to the front of your chest. Try that.
 
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tallathlete said:
Heres my move. I have never had a golf lesson....totally self taught. Any constructive criticism is welcome.............


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIslkeEEg8o[/media]



My shoulders simply do not work correctly on the downswing....yes?
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I am no pro but dang that sure looks like a nice golf swing.
 
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tallathlete

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gmbtempe said:
I am no pro but dang that sure looks like a nice golf swing.
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I truly appreciate the kind comments. However after a year I can break 80 consistently....but I want more than that. A lot more. Thus I am looking for the answers and the root cause of my misses. I have taken myself as far as I can.
 
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tallathlete

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My miss is a push...and sometimes a push cut. I have never started a ball left in my life. So, I think I am too out to right field....and not enough back around to the left. Thats just my thoughts at this point..........
 
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Your swing looks great. (really) You could be a pro for all I know. It looks a lot like the swing in Brians "Soft Draw" video.

This may be a surprise to you because you will not really hear it anywhere else...but you may want to reconsider taking a square stance and hoping to play a straight ball from that.

Were you trying to play a straight ball?

It could work for any shot hit off a tee but if you have anyting but a level strike that will adjust your path. (to the right on a downward strike, to the left on an upward strike)

Brian and Kevin (sorry if I have left anyone out) have done a lot of recent Trackman research on this. It is largely unknown in golf but now that you are ahead of the pack you can easily use this kind of stuff to your advantage. :)

This is no joke BTW...this machine is cutting edge and "reads" the golf swing very precisely.

Really nice swing, once again.
 
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tallathlete

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I am trying to hit a push draw. Face is 2-3* open at address....hoping to swing out around 4-5*. Miss is push....sometimes push cut.........


Thanks for the kind words again..........

I would love to be a professional. I hit about 500 chips and pitches a day...everyday. I just need a damn good teacher who knows what they are truly looking at..........
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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HungryBear said:
Over swing arms going back. Use pecs to hold both arms together. Your right sholder is going back as a means to increase your backswing turn and your left sholder is lifting and rolling up under your chin to giv it more backswing. Keep uour left sholder down so it crosses your chest not your neck and keep your right elbow to the front of your chest. Try that.
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wow, hell of a first post....

but too much stuff.

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You simply swing too far to the right and you are no where near open enough at impact. Unfortunately for you, when you swing left enough to be close to "zero'd out" it is going to feel like over the top to you is my guess, hard to tell with 2d video but even your comments suggest this.

Try practicing with an old driver and hitting drivers off the deck.
 
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I'm a bit curious as to what Kevin, Jim and Brian think, but I think he may stand a little too close to the ball. Backswing looks fantastic though.





3JACK
 
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tallathlete

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I am a legit 6'6.....6'6 1/2 in spikes. I am open to any of you guys helping me. I am stuck....cant take myself further.............
 
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Okay then. I'm 6'4" tall.

It's not really your right shoulder IMO. It's your head/neck. It tilts downward and your chin more or less goes into your chest on the downswing. I think it's quite alright to see the head dip a little in the downswing, but tilting the neck so the chin goes into the chest is not what you want to do.

I think that is why you can't get the body more open at impact like Jim describes. I think not getting the body open enough (it doesn't need to be turned wide open either, just a little more open) and swinging out to the right probably causes those pushes. I think the neck/head tilt makes it appear that your shoulder is the problem, but it's probably not.



3JACK
 
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