birdie_man
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azgolfer said:
Bahahah funny funny.
I got a few jollies outta that.
Ryder Cup Thoughts...
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Bahahah funny funny.
I got a few jollies outta that.
Brian Manzella
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The FACTS!
Here are the facts:
1. This is a MATCH PLAY event. A totally different game than stroke play. And 2/3rd of it is TEAM MATCH PLAY. A totally different game than STROKE (Medal) Play or Individual MATCH play.
2. The PGA of America keeps picking the same exact captain over and over— a guy between 45 and 50, who is still current. The Euros have done better in this department by far.
3. Tiger Woods is NOT the star. He NEEDS to be the star.
4. The EUROS are pals, the US tries to MAKE the team "pals."
5. The EUROS use gamesmanship—an important part of Match Play. The US tries to be "too pretty" and don't use it at all, hardly.
MY POSSIBLE SOLUTION:
1. Make Tiger the Captain now. He'll pass all those "silly duties" to IMG and NIKE and we'll dress better and be BETTER organized.
He will also MAKE SURE we win. And nobody will make anyone sing a fight song or any other BS (it didn't work, did it?).
Here are the facts:
1. This is a MATCH PLAY event. A totally different game than stroke play. And 2/3rd of it is TEAM MATCH PLAY. A totally different game than STROKE (Medal) Play or Individual MATCH play.
2. The PGA of America keeps picking the same exact captain over and over— a guy between 45 and 50, who is still current. The Euros have done better in this department by far.
3. Tiger Woods is NOT the star. He NEEDS to be the star.
4. The EUROS are pals, the US tries to MAKE the team "pals."
5. The EUROS use gamesmanship—an important part of Match Play. The US tries to be "too pretty" and don't use it at all, hardly.
MY POSSIBLE SOLUTION:
1. Make Tiger the Captain now. He'll pass all those "silly duties" to IMG and NIKE and we'll dress better and be BETTER organized.
He will also MAKE SURE we win. And nobody will make anyone sing a fight song or any other BS (it didn't work, did it?).
mrodock
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birdie_man said:
He was making a connection to how they can't perform in the Ryder Cup though and I just can't buy it. I mean, just because they are afraid of Tiger doesn't mean they'll play poorly when they see Henrik Stenson on the other side of the tee box (I don't mean that sarcastically, I know he is a very good player).
birdie_man
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Ya now that I think of it tho Matt I'm not so sure of how that's relevant to the Ryder Cup.
The connection is questionable.....but I think what it could mean, if anything, is that they are not dedicating themselves to improvement as much...whether it be mechanical or learning to handle pressure....the mental game.....or otherwise. Just coasting and making money and enjoying the good life.
Who knows.
Like I said....I don't wanna bag on them too much cause I can't say these things for sure....but he's right....there don't seem to be so many exceptional American players under 30. (right now)
The connection is questionable.....but I think what it could mean, if anything, is that they are not dedicating themselves to improvement as much...whether it be mechanical or learning to handle pressure....the mental game.....or otherwise. Just coasting and making money and enjoying the good life.
Who knows.
Like I said....I don't wanna bag on them too much cause I can't say these things for sure....but he's right....there don't seem to be so many exceptional American players under 30. (right now)
birdie_man
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Brian Manzella said:
That is so true man......they need an older "father figure"....an older guy they will all respect and look up to and listen to. Not like Lehman is not those things.....but they need the legends.
For his own motivation?
Great point. A lack of chemistry between partners just adds to the anxiety....as if playing for your country isn't hard enough.....playing in an awkward pairing....not good TEAM-wise.
I don't get it...?
Interesting....I think he would be a great motivator...
But then he can't play.....although he hasn't exactly been great...
Ya that seemed awkward....forced.
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You're right man...it's all about a team....chemistry.
If it's working...it works for you....it fuels you....your team supports you.
If it's not working....it's just awkward....forced.....unsure....anxiety-ridden.
Great points.
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bantamben2
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personally i think lehman didnt do a very good job as captain especially with the whole verplank situation you got that guy to play alternat shot and to not use him was stupid. History has shown using all your players each day is a much better strategy if vauhn taylor had one more round in him he might have played better in singles as well he looked really uncomfortable
RicoSuave
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you need Daly !
As we all know the whole US-Tour works very different than our European Tour, where all players are a big family travelling together staying (and drinking
in the same hotels. They know each other pretty well and support each other also beside the tour.
Compared to 2004 the USA-team were really great sports-men ! Especially Woods and Lehmann.... so it was much more important how they stick to Darren and not to win this cup.... there you saw what golf is all about, so thanks to the Americans for their support!
Cink has to change his name now to SINK,... unbeliveable what he did with our best match-player Garcia. It showed that exept Woods, the Wild-cards did it better than the qualified team ?!
Will America win the cup in the near future, if they don´t understand that they need such guys like Daly, who would give everything to be in the team?
So would be great to see Wie & Daly beating the Euorpeans in the Fourballs
As we all know the whole US-Tour works very different than our European Tour, where all players are a big family travelling together staying (and drinking
in the same hotels. They know each other pretty well and support each other also beside the tour.Compared to 2004 the USA-team were really great sports-men ! Especially Woods and Lehmann.... so it was much more important how they stick to Darren and not to win this cup.... there you saw what golf is all about, so thanks to the Americans for their support!
Cink has to change his name now to SINK,... unbeliveable what he did with our best match-player Garcia. It showed that exept Woods, the Wild-cards did it better than the qualified team ?!
Will America win the cup in the near future, if they don´t understand that they need such guys like Daly, who would give everything to be in the team?
So would be great to see Wie & Daly beating the Euorpeans in the Fourballs
ThomasTheTank
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Tiger would not be captain. Period. The guy is totally focused on majors and planning/organising an RC as captain takes time and pressure he wont want to have
The US guys have to learn to ENJOY the darn thing. Smile for gods sake. Enjoy it. The guys treat it like a damn military operation with all these black militray battle dress. Furyk just gurned his way roundm the whole 3 days. To me it seems none of them want to be there. Its an attitude thing
The euros on the other hand love it. The whole team thing, the bonding. Playing for each other
The US guys have to learn to ENJOY the darn thing. Smile for gods sake. Enjoy it. The guys treat it like a damn military operation with all these black militray battle dress. Furyk just gurned his way roundm the whole 3 days. To me it seems none of them want to be there. Its an attitude thing
The euros on the other hand love it. The whole team thing, the bonding. Playing for each other
BigBadDonkey
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Brian the Euros do not use Gamesmanship. Why you come up with this drivel everytime the US lose is beyond me. The Spanish and Italians, maybe. I don't know if you watch much football (soccer) , but in that sport it is very evident and the other Euros hate them for it.
They are all friends on and off the course and quite frankly you are talking out you B*tt hole and making yourself look a fool saying this. .
Your buddy David Toms had it right. The American team were not long enough.
You miss Pavin 'chipper in, putt from 50ft' badly. And who can match players like Lehman, Stewart etc. who were awesome in the Ryder Cup.
They are all friends on and off the course and quite frankly you are talking out you B*tt hole and making yourself look a fool saying this.
.Your buddy David Toms had it right. The American team were not long enough.
You miss Pavin 'chipper in, putt from 50ft' badly. And who can match players like Lehman, Stewart etc. who were awesome in the Ryder Cup.
ThomasTheTank
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BigBadDonkey said:
I agree. Facts here are
1. Tiger got 3 points out of 4. Best player in the world. Best player in the team
2. Furyk played well but got blown away by Casey who was 7 under for 17 holes and played great golf the week after killing Micheel. If that boy continues he'll be top 10 next year and winning tournaments in the US
3. Phil outside the US is a joke and all his fancy short game flop shots are becoming tiresome
4. The Euros played great golf. Stenson, Casey, Sergio etc. They were better. As Lehman (who has impressed with his honesty and gentlemanly conduct) has stated
4. The rest of the US team is behind the quality of Donald, Sergio, Howell, Olly etc. Wetterich and Taylor were way out their depth. Toms isnt the player he was IMO (much like DLIII)
As for gamesmanship thats just nonsense. If the same 12 players tee it up again at Valhalla then the US gets thumped again no matter who the captain is because aside from Tiger, Jim and Cink (and Phil if he shows up) the Euros are better man for man and they know how to enjoy and win
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birdie_man
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But why?
My coach was teling me how different the european tour is to the pga tour. he was saying how on the european tour everyone is real great friends its a very friendly tour, and they are on there to win whether its for £50 or 500,000 pounds! They all get on very well and are all very good friends.
Im not saying pga tour players arnt friends but there isnt as much friendship and FUN on the pga tour because all they are interested in is getting a pay cheque and moving on! They are only interested in money!
So then when the team events come along its obvious who is going to win!
Im not saying pga tour players arnt friends but there isnt as much friendship and FUN on the pga tour because all they are interested in is getting a pay cheque and moving on! They are only interested in money!
So then when the team events come along its obvious who is going to win!
Everyone acknowledges that the Euros are bonded together as buddies and therefore are better at the Ryder Cup. But I think this may also hold a clue as to why they haven't won a major since 1999.
In the heat of battle on Sunday in a major, you're all alone out there and I don't think the Euros have the same fortitude for that kind of pressure. They seem to need the warm and fuzzy feeling of the "team". Look at Darren Clarke and Sergio for example. Absolutely fantastic in the Ryder Cup format with all their teammates and countrymen pulling for them, but both seem to have the "deer in the headlights" look at the majors when there's no one to lean on.
Just my opinion.
Bruce
In the heat of battle on Sunday in a major, you're all alone out there and I don't think the Euros have the same fortitude for that kind of pressure. They seem to need the warm and fuzzy feeling of the "team". Look at Darren Clarke and Sergio for example. Absolutely fantastic in the Ryder Cup format with all their teammates and countrymen pulling for them, but both seem to have the "deer in the headlights" look at the majors when there's no one to lean on.
Just my opinion.
Bruce
It would help if some of the majors were OUTSIDE of America!!! Ok the open is but why america? So all the americans can have there own way and get bigger portions of food?
I bet you. if some of the other majors were outside of america more europeans would win, if they caught tiger off form!
Anyway, theres a world golf championship this week which has a field just as strong as any major in the world!!! I bet you if tiger isnt on form a NON-AMERICAN will win!
I bet you. if some of the other majors were outside of america more europeans would win, if they caught tiger off form!
Anyway, theres a world golf championship this week which has a field just as strong as any major in the world!!! I bet you if tiger isnt on form a NON-AMERICAN will win!
shortgamer
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Ricky1990 said:
RicoSuave
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go for it, the austrians stick to you !!!Ricky1990 said:
btw: IF USA and Europe would be exactly of the same strength (objective in just hitting this small thing and digging it in into the hole) .. belive me friendship matters A LOT (please think of the forsomes!) and Europe would win for the next 100 years !
I agree with Ricky 1990, they should play the ProfessionGolfers Associatioin of America, and the U.S Open outside the America. It only makes sense that these be played outside of America. And Ricky while were at it, lets play the Six Nations Rugby Tourney in New Hampshire, so I can see some good rugby!
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