Sadlowski Swing Analysis (Request)

[birdie_man]

Ha - how 'bout the potential to reach their ability to utilize their talent?

Agreed, interesting to hear his own self-analysis. I wonder if he is moving towards improving his strength, or moving towards "improving" his swing? Is he 100% self-made and self-maintained or is he working with some one?

This is gonna turn into an Abbott and Costello sketch!!

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It is interesting. Cause you have to assume he just grabs the club, gets loose, winds up, then puts a rip on it. He does it...we see all the stuff. (mechanics) And of course you would if you knew what to look for. 'Something' is happening in every golf swing.

He probably has some basic understanding and some basic swing keys/moves. (loose, max shoulder turn, etc.)

Probably picked up the game pretty easy. Not sure when he took up the game but he probably learned to shoot a puck before a golf ball.

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I saw a Playing Lesson on TGC the other night with Bubba Watson. Between instruction and "watchability" (awkward to watch) it might've been the worst golf instruction show I've seen.

As far as I can tell this guy doesn't really know what he's doing at all. He has basic moves...he didn't seem very good at explaining what he did know, if it was even something worthwhile. (there wasn't much depth to a lot of the info. he tried to communicate)

He would try to explain something, struggle some, get a little flustered and then, with he and Johnny Damon confused and nervous, jusy say:

"Well...what I mean is...like this:"

BOOM.

Anyone who sees innate playing ability as being an automatic plus for a golf teacher...may need me to reference this episode.

I want someone who can play some but if someone has struggled to get there they may have learned some good stuff along the way. Not always...and some naturals will have stuff to teach too...but...

 

[mgranato]

Height, weight, bone structure, looks etc. etc. you can't teach..for obvious reasons. Speed you CAN teach and train. It really isn't hard to understand, if you train for something since a very early age in life, and you do it the right way thousands of times and you persevere, you can be great, "talent" aside. I have know many built like Usain Bolt, but can't run as fast as him, BUT they also sat on the couch, played video games and became swimmers, weren't great at that either, sense an early age. Bolt has been racing and running fast since he could walk, is that why he's GREAT. I'd argue yes. Of course he has to be born with, the height, leg length, build and so on, but was he born with the work ethic, the DESIRE to run fast, the DESIRE to be the best?? Maybe. but guess what?? you or I don't know and can't predict it, or measure it. In my teaching, I use the "talent" tool as a motivational tool to get my students not to be lazy, because that's what I deal with. If I had a student that said, he had no confidence because he didn't think he had "talent", I'd blow his horn all day long and make him think he was the most talented person on the face of the earth, if that got results.

That's because you're a good teacher.

My thinking is that everyone has a ceiling - max talent level, max ability, max potential, whatever you want to call it. You can be "coached up" but only to your ceiling. Desire is a wicked thing. The great equalizer between the "haves" and "have nots". Now if a "have" also has an insatiable desire - the "have not" with desire doesn't stand a chance .

I have the talent to realize this is a circular debate - it'll just go round and round. You have the talent AND desire to make a good case. I don't have the desire or the talent. Please don't try to pump me up because I lack the confidence and admit to not having the talent, it wont' get results .

 

[vjsinger]

I have the talent to realize this is a circular debate - it'll just go round and round. You have the talent AND desire to make a good case. I don't have the desire or the talent. Please don't try to pump me up because I lack the confidence and admit to not having the talent, it wont' get results .

Touche', Touche'. Now you got it

 

[mgranato]

This is gonna turn into an Abbott and Costello sketch!!

...

It is interesting. Cause you have to assume he just grabs the club, gets loose, winds up, then puts a rip on it. He does it...we see all the stuff. (mechanics) And of course you would if you knew what to look for. 'Something' is happening in every golf swing.

He probably has some basic understanding and some basic swing keys/moves. (loose, max shoulder turn, etc.)

Probably picked up the game pretty easy. Not sure when he took up the game but he probably learned to shoot a puck before a golf ball.

...

I saw a Playing Lesson on TGC the other night with Bubba Watson. Between instruction and "watchability" (awkward to watch) it might've been the worst golf instruction show I've seen.

As far as I can tell this guy doesn't really know what he's doing at all. He has basic moves...he didn't seem very good at explaining what he did know. (and there wasn't much depth to the info. he tried to communicate)

He would try to explain something, struggle some, get a little flustered and then, with he and Johnny Damon confused and nervous, jusy say:

"Nevermind all that...what I mean is...like this..."

BOOM.

Anyone who sees innate playing ability as being an automatic plus for a golf teacher...may need me to reference this episode.

I want someone who can play some but if someone has struggled to get there they may have learned some good stuff along the way. Not always...and some naturals will have stuff to teach too...but...

I hear ya, and you make an excellent point. It's a fine line. What happens when great talents (I feel like that's a dirty word now ) like Bubba and Jamie start getting a bit sideways? Do they know enough, or better yet, understand enough to get back on track? At what point does playing without the burden of really understanding what you do begin to be a problem? I imagine the tipping point is highly individual, but I think too often "technique" is feared or blamed by those cats who rely solely on their raw talents. Maybe I just think that because I've never had enough raw talent to rely on .

 

[puttmad]

You sure? Then nearly anyone could learn to run a 4.3 sec 40 yd dash, throw a fastball 97 miles per hour, or dunk a basketball?

Not quite the same mb....Golf is a game where you learn to use a tool (the club) to execute a result...you are not actually throwing the tool as in the above examples....

Distance is about clubhead speed, and clubhead speed can be learned ..period...

And Jamie has already given you the answer, you just don't understand it....

 

[GPM1985]

Distance is about clubhead speed, and clubhead speed can be learned ..period...

To a certain extent...

Let us know when you can hit it 350.

I'm going to rededicate myself to my lifelong goal of dunking from the three-point line



Sadlowski played hockey, and from what I've heard he had a brutal slapshot. If you watch that swing analysis, you can see how ripped up his arms are. He generates a lot of hand speed, and backs that up with a great, great pivot.

Even he has a max though, and if he hasn't attained it he's closing in. To think otherwise you'd be prescribing to a notion of infinite progression, which doesn't exist in real-world athletics.

To plateau is inevitable, be happy if you haven't reached yours.

 

[Shot Limit]

To plateau is inevitable, be happy if you haven't reached yours.

Oh dear Lord, I hope not.

 

[SJO]

This is quite funny. I don't know why people are taking it so personally. I think you can hit it further but generally working out and getting stronger doesn't make THAT much difference in my experience. It's applied speed that's important.
As for if he's working with anyone, I doubt it. I've never known anyone get taught to hit it miles. Just try and kill it on every swing. If you have a bit of hand eye-coordination it's that simple.

 

[puttmad]

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Sadlowski played hockey, and from what I've heard he had a brutal slapshot. If you watch that swing analysis, you can see how ripped up his arms are. He generates a lot of hand speed, and backs that up with a great, great pivot.

I understand the hockey/golf relationship, due to friendship with some very good Finnish ice-hockey players..

However, from your answer, all I am seeing is plain observation, the "what's" (happening) rather than the "hows"...

I am more interested in the hows....

 

[mb6606]

Look at horse racing. They are bred to race, fed the same diets, given the same training and attention from a very young age. Why do some become champions?????

 

[puttmad]

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Look at horse racing. They are bred to race, fed the same diets, given the same training and attention from a very young age. Why do some become champions?????

That won't work mb....they are not using tools.....we are....

 

[puttmad]

Listen guys, Jamie gave you a direct answer..."wristspeed" (not "handspeed" which (to me anyway) is different...)

If you don't understand "wristspeed," you cannot understand Jamie...but you CAN learn it....if you want to...

 

[GPM1985]

Listen guys, Jamie gave you a direct answer..."wristspeed" (not "handspeed" which (to me anyway) is different...)

If you don't understand "wristspeed," you cannot understand Jamie...but you CAN learn it....if you want to...

Tell us what you know. No need to be cryptic.

I think Sadlowski has a certain type of strength that allows him to put that extra zip on the ball. There's no "how"; it boils down to natural ability.

Everyone has something they can do well, some natural ability that sets them apart from the rest of the population. Some people have abilities that set them very far apart.

In college, one of my good friends would occasionally come down to the gym and lift. He wasn't an athlete of any note and he mostly just stood around and spotted. I'll never forget the time he waited till I was done grinding a 425 lb. deadlift, pushed me out of the way, and cranked out three smooth, strict reps. Like he was picking up a case of beer.

"That'll do it for the year," he said.

What do you say about that? The dude's just really strong. Usain Bolt is just really fast. Sadlowski just pounds it. Sure, he practices and conditions, but like my college buddy, he has God-given natural strength. It's the ace in the hole.

 

[puttmad]

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Tell us what you know. No need to be cryptic.

I think Sadlowski has a certain type of strength that allows him to put that extra zip on the ball. There's no "how"; it boils down to natural ability.

GPM there is a reason for my "crypticness".....

I am trying to assault your "sureness," so you may at last be motivated enough to question some prevoiusly held beliefs, to actually ACT and find out (what wrist speed is) unequivocally for yourself.....

So, are you willing to give it a go? (with an open mind).....

 

[self-mastery]

I know what Puttmad is going to say

 

[puttmad]

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I know what Puttmad is going to say

I thought you would...

Glad to see you back BTW....

 

[GPM1985]

If Allen Iverson was 6'8, you wouldn't know who Kobe is

GPM there is a reason for my "crypticness".....

I am trying to assault your "sureness," so you may at last be motivated enough to question some prevoiusly held beliefs, to actually ACT and find out (what wrist speed is) unequivocally for yourself.....

So, are you willing to give it a go? (with an open mind).....

I don't the time or patience to go on whatever magical journey you have in mind. It's Friday night and I have a hot date with some cold beer.

Do me a favor and read this, and then this.

Did you read it? Skim it? Good enough.

Now, I've already stated why, from a non-technical standpoint, I think Sadlowski hits the ball so hard. This thread began as a request from me to Brian and the Academy instructors for a technical analysis of Sadlowski's swing.

There are plenty of golf messageboards I could go to for amateur hour swing analysis. Half of them are still yammering over 1 plane/2 plane nonsense. I'm looking for the straight dope. No offense, but you're trying to answer a question that I didn't ask you.

I'm sure Sadlowski's wrists are a key element of his power, but I would like someone who has G.S.E.D. or "Manzella Academy Instructor" after his name to tell me why. This thread has derailed somewhat, which is fine, and that leads me back to Sadlowski's power.

Your comment that Sadlowski-esque power can be learned struck me as untrue, at least as far as the real world is concerned.

I maintain that, though coupled with technique and conditioning, his natural ability is what ultimately allows him to carry the ball 400+ yards.

With an argument I still can't clearly identify, you seem to disagree with me. Here is my technical explanation of Sadlowski's natural ability:

In light of the links I provided, I would say that he probably has a higher concentration of fast-twitch (type II) muscle fibers than the average joe. This means that if the muscles I use to hit a golf ball contract at a given rate (call it "X"), with his increased ratio of type II to type I muscle fibers, Sadlowski's golf muscles will contract a much more rapid rate (call it "X + holy sh*t").

Ball go far.

My point is that Sadlowski, like EVERY other phenomenal athlete, has good genetics.

I'm good on this thread until it refocuses. If you want to tell me your take on Sadlowski and his wrists, tell me. If you're just going to throw some more chum, save yourself the effort.

 

[puttmad]

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This thread began as a request from me to Brian and the Academy instructors for a technical analysis of Sadlowski's swing.

Ah..sorry GPM, I (and many others) didn't realize you only wanted replies from Brian and the staff...

I'll keep my info to myself then..

However, you stated you wanted an accurate description of what was going on, and Jamie himself gave you the correct answer....you just chose to not believe/understand him....

 

[holeout]

Ah..sorry GPM, I (and many others) didn't realize you only wanted replies from Brian and the staff...

I'll keep my info to myself then..

However, you stated you wanted an accurate description of what was going on, and Jamie himself gave you the correct answer....you just chose to not believe/understand him....

I'm sorry but I just can't agree with you. There's no "secret" to distance that has to do solely with "wristspeed". It's a combination of a lot of things like a good pivot, good athleticism, good genetics, etc.

Put simply:

No one on this forum (with the possible exception of Tom Bartlett) will EVER hit it as far as Jamie Sadlowski.

 

[self-mastery]

No one on this forum (with the possible exception of Tom Bartlett) will EVER hit it as far as Jamie Sadlowski.

Let's not say NO one... I went from a guy that had to hit a 19* hybrid off the tee to someone that could blast it 315 regularly, and sometimes even 350 with a pull draw and some roll. Early last season, I hit one 385 (pull draw and some roll)... The year before I had two 380ish drives while playing with a lefty that knocked it 380ish with me on the first hole... Where's David Alford when you need him (them vs us)?

Jamie = physical talent + technique...

I believe that any healthy man with average height should be able to hit the ball 285-290 with the proper technique.

Sorry for the Hijack OP.

I thought you would...

Glad to see you back BTW....

Thanks... I didn't play any golf this season... I played league basketball and injured my ankle. Can't wait to play golf again...