That's great and all, but with your all-time best you're still 38 yards behind Sadlowski's winning ball...
Sadlowski Swing Analysis (Request)
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That's great and all, but with your all-time best you're still 38 yards behind Sadlowski's winning ball...
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holeout,
I never said distance is solely due to wristspeed.....
However, without it you will never reach your own true potential. Jamie himself gave the hint....why dismiss it?...Is it perhaps because people don't really understand what he means?...Forget hitting it as far as Jamie for a minute, what about maxing your own potential?......
And it CAN be learned....ask SM how far he was hitting the ball 4 years ago....
holeout,
I never said distance is solely due to wristspeed.....
However, without it you will never reach your own true potential. Jamie himself gave the hint....why dismiss it?...Is it perhaps because people don't really understand what he means?...Forget hitting it as far as Jamie for a minute, what about maxing your own potential?......
And it CAN be learned....ask SM how far he was hitting the ball 4 years ago....
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Oh no.
Puttmad, you aren't one of those "Learn the Secret to Hitting the Ball Like [insert the name of someone who never won a major championship here but who I have the secret golf secret from]" guys who believes they have found the secret of POW! 515 Yard Drives in the Desert! POW! golf are you? Tell me it's not true.
Are you?
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Brian Manzella
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Manzella-Style Swing Analysis Soon...
I will be doing an analysis of jamie's swing, like I've done with other great swings very soom.
For now, these are the facts.
You can not teach someone to hit it 400 yards.
My students are most all long hitters, and I can tell you you run into genentics at some point.
Or strength and flexibility.
Of all the folks I teach, John Gahm (Lindsay's brother) has the most clubhead speed.
No way he could ever hit it as far as Jamie, and he could pick Jamie up and throw him off the tee.
You can make a person with bad technique, and a bad body, who hits it 210 in the air, hit it 310 in the air.
But never 410.
I will be doing an analysis of jamie's swing, like I've done with other great swings very soom.
For now, these are the facts.
You can not teach someone to hit it 400 yards.
My students are most all long hitters, and I can tell you you run into genentics at some point.
Or strength and flexibility.
Of all the folks I teach, John Gahm (Lindsay's brother) has the most clubhead speed.
No way he could ever hit it as far as Jamie, and he could pick Jamie up and throw him off the tee.
You can make a person with bad technique, and a bad body, who hits it 210 in the air, hit it 310 in the air.
But never 410.
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I die a thousand times
Fairways not grids.
Truthfully, I had my most fun playing golf when I couldn't hit my driver. There's something about the certainty of hitting every fairway. I played a tight hilly course where bomb & gouge was only rewarded on 3 holes.
I agree with Brian, you can't teach someone to hit 400 yard drives, but you can teach someone how to hit it longer.
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Your premise is a bit faulty--- We've all learned a lot from a fella that never played on any tour. Appealing to a higher authority is a classic formal fallacy... Joe Pro doesn't play the tour, he can't teach me anything. Hogan's the greatest ballstriker of all time... Let's copy his swing, chat about him ad nauseum, and then just maybe I will be able to play this game. Good Luck.
Two things that helped me learn how to drive the ball: Manzella & Austin(without fanboyishness)
Enjoy your new found knowledge
lolYour premise is a bit faulty--- We've all learned a lot from a fella that never played on any tour. Appealing to a higher authority is a classic formal fallacy... Joe Pro doesn't play the tour, he can't teach me anything. Hogan's the greatest ballstriker of all time... Let's copy his swing, chat about him ad nauseum, and then just maybe I will be able to play this game. Good Luck.
Two things that helped me learn how to drive the ball: Manzella & Austin(without fanboyishness)
Enjoy your new found knowledge
Are you really Bronco Billy?
So, I am curious, actually. I'd love to hear about swings other than Hogan or the other standards. My problem is not that he might not have been good or powerful, but the whole "secret" thing (wink wink) and the marketing that has a bit of a cheesy stink about it (the whole resorting to reference to a 515 yard drive in the desert after finding the ball over the green as the proof of greatness thing). His swing looks like a fairly standard, middle of the matrix swing by a very athletic, flexible guy. Brian even posted up an analysis here.
What did you learn from it? Or do we have to buy a dvd somewhere to find out? I hope the secret turns out to be more than the sort of Kinesiology Desert Zen Mysticism hinted at in the promo videos.
So give us the 50 word summary with no fanboyishness.
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So if you were marketing it you wouldn't mention the 515 yard drive?....... And he hit 4 other 400+ drives that day.... plus he hit his first 400 yard drive in 1937....Go figure that with the equipment and balls available back then....must've been a fluke....
What you've obviously seen on the promos is just the tip of the iceberg...You really want 90 years of knowledge compressed into 50 words?....
Wow, that's really digging it out of the dirt....
So if you were marketing it you wouldn't mention the 515 yard drive?....
... And he hit 4 other 400+ drives that day.... plus he hit his first 400 yard drive in 1937....Go figure that with the equipment and balls available back then....must've been a fluke....What you've obviously seen on the promos is just the tip of the iceberg...You really want 90 years of knowledge compressed into 50 words?....
Wow, that's really digging it out of the dirt....
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So if you were marketing it you wouldn't mention the 515 yard drive?....
What you've obviously seen on the promos is just the tip of the iceberg...You really want 90 years of knowledge compressed into 50 words?....
Wow, that's really digging it out of the dirt....
Let me guess. I can buy a dvd that will explain it all for me? Will I get x-ray glasses with the DVD?
Really, among all the nuts roaming the golf internet, I find the Mike Austin sect easily the most annoying, which is saying a heck of a lot. Mainly because the story and video reeks of late night infomercials. After being pressed a couple dozen times, Bronco Billy finally said the big secret was something like some counter-rotation on the backswing (sounded something like a little twist-away to me). I'd love to hear what this is about, but no one can EVER describe it. Ever. Not one person. Do I have to drive to an undisclosed location in the desert and watch the grainy films of Austin while sitting around a campfire naked and smoking peyote to get "the secret," or can someone explain the substance in, say, English?
Mandrin can explain the physics of the heavy hit, but Mike Austinism is too complicated and too mystical to be put into words? It takes a lifetime of study?
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I agree with you about the cults-- The Mac crowd, The Hogan Crowd, The Austin Guys, The TGM zealots...
No, I am not Bronco! I just like writing that
No offense to Bronco, but he didn't really understand Austin. He read the 21ist century golf swing and became a zealot of counter rotation (twistaway), and preached it like Mohammed's message from the rock. Counter rotation is awesome, but there's more to it.
I don't think there's anything magical about Austin's pivot, and I don't believe he threw the club from the top. I only use his downswing triggers, and hand action. Trigger the downswing with right side compression (contract your right quadratus lumborum and obliques) this looks like axis tilt, but with intention. I use two forms of austin-like hand action in the DS...
Hand action #1 Is based on getting the Right hand into palmar flexion--- gathering up water which gives me a very vertical clubface--- This is what the Austin guys mean when they compare the swing to a toss...
Hand action #2 is similar-- ride your pivot and tilt(right side compression) as late as possible and you end up having a deep pitch elbow position, fire your right forehand and try to sling the club shaft straight, right hand goes into palmar flexion... If there's a throw it happens late in the swing... Don't worry about a flat wrist--- throw throw throw...
Hand action one--- straight ball to slight fade.
Hand action two--- tight draw
You have to have your left arm connected to your left pec the entire time (Pec Grab). Instead of pivot braking with the left leg/hip, you instead brake with your left leg, left hip, and upper left arm (humerus)... Whipsaw the club pass your left side... bye bye ball.
I think that my version of Austin's swing answers a question that a lot of golfers have: What to do when you have an insane amount of lag? Most golfers who aim for such a deep pitch elbow position end up slicing the ball or end up having too much club shaft lean. I no longer have that problem.
This is not a Honda Civic, it's a high maintenance race car...
I bet PM agrees with half of what I said
I'll make a video when my ankle heals...
Sorry OP....Welcome to the innernets
No, I am not Bronco! I just like writing that
No offense to Bronco, but he didn't really understand Austin. He read the 21ist century golf swing and became a zealot of counter rotation (twistaway), and preached it like Mohammed's message from the rock. Counter rotation is awesome, but there's more to it.
I don't think there's anything magical about Austin's pivot, and I don't believe he threw the club from the top. I only use his downswing triggers, and hand action. Trigger the downswing with right side compression (contract your right quadratus lumborum and obliques) this looks like axis tilt, but with intention. I use two forms of austin-like hand action in the DS...
Hand action #1 Is based on getting the Right hand into palmar flexion--- gathering up water which gives me a very vertical clubface--- This is what the Austin guys mean when they compare the swing to a toss...
Hand action #2 is similar-- ride your pivot and tilt(right side compression) as late as possible and you end up having a deep pitch elbow position, fire your right forehand and try to sling the club shaft straight, right hand goes into palmar flexion... If there's a throw it happens late in the swing... Don't worry about a flat wrist--- throw throw throw...
Hand action one--- straight ball to slight fade.
Hand action two--- tight draw
You have to have your left arm connected to your left pec the entire time (Pec Grab). Instead of pivot braking with the left leg/hip, you instead brake with your left leg, left hip, and upper left arm (humerus)... Whipsaw the club pass your left side... bye bye ball.
I think that my version of Austin's swing answers a question that a lot of golfers have: What to do when you have an insane amount of lag? Most golfers who aim for such a deep pitch elbow position end up slicing the ball or end up having too much club shaft lean. I no longer have that problem.
This is not a Honda Civic, it's a high maintenance race car...
I bet PM agrees with half of what I said
I'll make a video when my ankle heals...
Sorry OP....Welcome to the innernets
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niblick,
The reason for your frustration is basically it (MA) has been "explained" to you by someone who didn't totally understand it.....and you have "seen" the wrong info and got the wrong impression.....that's understandable....but please don't "frustrate" yourself out of what could be beneficial to you own golf game.
MA is about the body and the way it functions during the golf swing and the precise way in which to make it work at maximum efficiency...
It is too much subject to cover here (I said 90 years of knowledge, not study..
), but you'll have to take my word for it that it is not "complicated or mystical," but like anything else worth having involves a commitment and effort.I have already touched on a lot of it here at some time or another, but don't reference it often as I know Brian doesn't like too many references to other teachers (totally understandable), but as Mike is now dead and the info is no longer available I cannot see too much harm with the odd reference (correct me if I am wrong).....
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SM
I think it was other people that said "throw from the top" not really Mike...
What Mike did say was he did not delay the uncocking of the hands..
Remember his quote "Stimulus, response, reaction" meaning that the (mental) stimulus to "throw" the clubhead was at the top, the response happened just below waist height, and the reaction was the release at the bottom...
The rest i agree with....
Brian Manzella
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Your wrong.
Apparently you can't ignore it. What are you, Mini Me? Brian's echo?
PHILMIC. was right you are a huge kiss a... I think Puttmad got Brian's reply without you chirping off. And Brian's a big boy i think he can stand up for himself.
Your like that annoying sidekick in those cheesy movies, repeating everything the hero says. Give it a rest VJ. , or are you so far up there you can't get out? ...lol
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vjsinger
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It's funny that you think I'm a kiss ass..you are still clueless dude. It's fun to see morons like you come out of your little caverns attacking the "outspoken, overconfident, asshole, kiss-ass student of Brian". I've stated here times before that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to golf...when will you and your little friends?
vjsinger
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You bore me, so I'll go away for awhile. See, that's all you had to do to get rid of me, be boring and stupid, easy for you. I'd suggest you stop spending so much time on the internet and rededicate yourself to being useful to someone, or yourself. I'll stop posting if morons like you stop as well..deal?
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