Sequence - need more rotation through the ball

[willimatic]

I have spent the last several months passifying my initial start of the downswing. Basically getting the young teen type of hip thrust (hump the ball) for power move out of my swing. I caused me to get the club under the plane, high handle coming down and left are a way from the body. I guess reverse tumble you could say.

My question now is, I think I have done a good job at keeping the right foot and hips more quiet and allowing the club to come down on a better plane. BUT now I think I am to lazy through the ball. I know BM says to keep the hips ahead of the hands, hands ahead of club head. I think my hips now are too quiet.

So how do I work on speeding them back up, without getting in to the old habit of them going to fast from the start. Kind of a catch 22 type thing.

I am trying to get a video on to my computer which might help.

Can some one help me with why my pics aren't showing up? i've done it tons before but no go this round.



Thanks

 

[dbl]

Here ya go!

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[spmurph]

I am plagued with the same issues. My natural tendency is to "go at it" with the hips from the top of the backswing. Hands go out, handle stands up to fit the club in, face opens up. Yuck.

How did you work on this? The way I have been trying to work on it is to square the hips back up before I rotate them. It definitely feels like they are lazy but the but I am also discovering effortless power for the first time.

To answer your question, I guess it depends on what problems the new lower body movement is causing.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

I have spent the last several months passifying my initial start of the downswing. Basically getting the young teen type of hip thrust (hump the ball) for power move out of my swing. I caused me to get the club under the plane, high handle coming down and left are a way from the body. I guess reverse tumble you could say.

My question now is, I think I have done a good job at keeping the right foot and hips more quiet and allowing the club to come down on a better plane. BUT now I think I am to lazy through the ball. I know BM says to keep the hips ahead of the hands, hands ahead of club head. I think my hips now are too quiet.

So how do I work on speeding them back up, without getting in to the old habit of them going to fast from the start. Kind of a catch 22 type thing.

I am trying to get a video on to my computer which might help.

Can some one help me with why my pics aren't showing up? i've done it tons before but no go this round.



Thanks

Why do you think you need more rotation? Is the ball and impact telling you that you need more hip rotation?

 

[willimatic]

I am plagued with the same issues. My natural tendency is to "go at it" with the hips from the top of the backswing. Hands go out, handle stands up to fit the club in, face opens up. Yuck.

How did you work on this? The way I have been trying to work on it is to square the hips back up before I rotate them. It definitely feels like they are lazy but the but I am also discovering effortless power for the first time.

To answer your question, I guess it depends on what problems the new lower body movement is causing.

I worked on it a few ways. I hit balls with my left heel in the air, so i was on my toes with my left foot. This doesn't really allow you to fire to hard or you'll be way out of balance.

Second, I would hit some shots where I felt like I kept my hips closed during the swing. Feels very akward but I think it helps you get onto left side better and not just spin out if that is your problem.

 

[willimatic]

Lindsey,

Um, I'm not to sure actually. My ball flight has been better because I get the club on a better plane coming down, not so underneath. But I think now I get a little stagnant through the ball with the body and my arms swing across my body to much. So I was thinking if I rotated a bit more through the ball, that would help keep the cluface from shutting as much. I still miss left when I hit it bad.

Plus the pictures look less dynamic than I did in the past. I think that is normal with what I was working on but don't want to over do it.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Lindsey,

Um, I'm not to sure actually. My ball flight has been better because I get the club on a better plane coming down, not so underneath. But I think now I get a little stagnant through the ball with the body and my arms swing across my body to much. So I was thinking if I rotated a bit more through the ball, that would help keep the cluface from shutting as much. I still miss left when I hit it bad.

Ok, I just was wondering. I think the still photos look very good. Post up some high speed video sometime.

Anyway, I think that the pivot is largely misunderstood and should always be considered as 2nd in importance to hand path and shaft/face control. Many times, if we as athletes, just focus on controlling what our hands are holding, we will see that are pivot responds beautifully. JMHO.

 

[willimatic]

Ok, I just was wondering. I think the still photos look very good. Post up some high speed video sometime.

Anyway, I think that the pivot is largely misunderstood and should always be considered as 2nd in importance to hand path and shaft/face control. Many times if we as athletes just focus on controlling what are hands are holding, we will see that are pivot responds beautifully. JMHO.

Thanks! I am trying to get up some video's so people can see the overal motion. I like your concept. I think I need more focus on the club since it is what hits the ball versus tying to have the body and arms be in better positions. Too many so called not perfect swings on tour that sure produce pretty damn perfect shots.

Thanks again!

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Thanks! I am trying to get up some video's so people can see the overal motion. I like your concept. I think I need more focus on the club since it is what hits the ball versus tying to have the body and arms be in better positions. Too many so called not perfect swings on tour that sure produce pretty damn perfect shots.

Thanks again!

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[conkanen]

Lindsey,

Anyway, I think that the pivot is largely misunderstood and should always be considered as 2nd in importance to hand path and shaft/face control. Many times if we as athletes just focus on controlling what are hands are holding, we will see that are pivot responds beautifully. JMHO.

Very interesting. That's a real eye opener for me. I think I always believed this but I was afraid to say it out loud. This is a huge quote imo.

Thx for your help Lindsey.

 

[Billy McKinney]

"Anyway, I think that the pivot is largely misunderstood and should always be considered as 2nd in importance to hand path and shaft/face control. Many times if we as athletes just focus on controlling what are hands are holding, we will see that are pivot responds beautifully. JMHO."
Your HO is spot on IMOHO, Lindsey. Those pics are solid, kiddo. But try hitting some shots with your toes flexed up a wee bit to eliminate spin out and all that. Take videos of it...bea u ti ful alignments.

 

[willimatic]

Those pics are solid, kiddo. But try hitting some shots with your toes flexed up a wee bit to eliminate spin out and all that. Take videos of it...bea u ti ful alignments.

You mean hit balls with my toes flex up off the bottom of my shoe, like im trying to wiggle them? Why does that eliminate spin out? Not sure if I need to eliminate spin out....

 

[ej20]

Impact position looks fine but just to play devils advocate,the pro's have their hips on average about 38 degrees open and shoulders about 10 degrees open at impact.Amateurs on average have their hips open about 10 degrees open and their shoulder closed.

Think of a major league baseball pitcher.They clear the body open before releasing the ball,they don't don't hump their hips to get power.Same with the golf swing.You also don't purposely prevent the body from opening up to fix problems.That is band-aiding.It is non dynamic,unathletic and mechanical.

 

[willimatic]

Impact position looks fine but just to play devils advocate,the pro's have their hips on average about 38 degrees open and shoulders about 10 degrees open at impact.Amateurs on average have their hips open about 10 degrees open and their shoulder closed.

Think of a major league baseball pitcher.They clear the body open before releasing the ball,they don't don't hump their hips to get power.Same with the golf swing.You also don't purposely prevent the body from opening up to fix problems.That is band-aiding.It is non dynamic,unathletic and mechanical.

I agree that it feels less athletic and not as dynamic as I was before. But then how do you work on sequencing without restricting things or trying too hold something. I totally understand what you are saying tho.

 

[ej20]

It appears that your "dynamic" move previously was to hump the ball and standing up.This can work as Nicklaus did this and won 18 majors but most good players rotate and open up.

Like I said,try to emulate the action of a baseball pitcher.That is very similar to what your right side in the golf swing feels like.Open up the body,get into pitch elbow with the right arm and fire away.

 

[ej20]

Another point to keep in mind with getting more rotation is head swivel ala Duval,Sorenstam and Allenby.Baseball pitchers will be looking at their target.If they kept their face pointing at the ground in front of them during the pitch,it would inhibit their roatation.Try to release the head a little sooner to enable the right side to fire better through the ball.This might seem a lit awkward at first because it will seem like you turn your head away from the ball.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

If you're going to go that way with pitch elbow an an aggressive pivot, be prepared to strengthen your grip. Very few have been able to grip it as you do and add the components that ej20 is suggesting - Hogan being one

 

[siksta]

you're going to go that way with pitch elbow an an aggressive pivot, be prepared to strengthen your grip. Very few have been able to grip it as you do and add the components that ej20 is suggesting - Hogan being one

Dont need a strong grip with pitch elbow if you've seen Lag over at ABS forum he has one of the best post impact pivots around and it dosent require a strong grip.To increase the pivot rotation if thats what this thread is about you must train the pivot which could take awhile and he must fire faster than the hands fire into the ball.
Pich elbow is also forearm rotation unless i missread Lindsey on what she was refferng to?

 

[Kevin Shields]

She???

Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever seen Lag at ABS actually hit a ball in person?

 

[siksta]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever seen Lag at ABS actually hit a ball in person?

Yes Kevin he played on tour for awhile PGA, Asian, Canadien Tour and there's some footage of him and Norman in one of the U.S. Opens . A great guy and teacher who can play a tremendous ball striker.


PS.Sorry for the she?