Sequenced release

[Deadly_Scope]

Matthew,

This is brilliant stuff.

Do you feel like this is the reason that Hogan and Garcia both ADDED left wrist bend—from their top-of-the-backswing left wrist condition—and then took the bend out pre-impact?

When the left hand is turned to the plane and the wrist is bent to the exact degree that the left arm is angled from above into the plane, the roll of the left hand towards a vertical condition dynamically changes the bend into wrist cock. Likewise, what was wristcock will automatically change into its equivalent in arched.

The wrist conditions are created in responce to the clubhead orbit, not vice versa.

As far as what Hogan did - he did exactly the procedure I have described.

 

[Deadly_Scope]

I never dreamed someone could be so arrogant. You must be a barrel a laughs (or 4 barrels) to hang out with. You should start your own forum where only people as smart as you can read your stuff.

What is it that makes you think that no one can understand anything? Did you invent the golf swing?

You have to remember that I have put alot of effort in at one time to understand this stuff to the sheer detailed complexity that I have.

You don't understand me or my history. Truthfully, I'm not being arrogant, its just I have lost the will and don't care about helping people (which actually used to be my sole intent). I've lost the will to play golf, lost the will to write about golf and share my knowledge and all my passion for the game has gone. I have been brought to the point by negative and jealous people where I ask myself, why do this anymore?

 

[Deadly_Scope]

It's how you get kicked out of other golf forums. But it does seem like he knows the techno stuff.

I was not kicked. I was insulted by someone who I thought was a friend and then left. The account was then suspended after I had made that declaration.

 

[Brian Manzella]

You have to remember that I have put alot of effort in at one time to understand this stuff to the sheer detailed complexity that I have.

You don't understand me or my history. Truthfully, I'm not being arrogant, its just I have lost the will and don't care about helping people (which actually used to be my sole intent). I've lost the will to play golf, lost the will to write about golf and share my knowledge and all my passion for the game has gone. I have been brought to the point by negative and jealous people where I ask myself, why do this anymore?

I am not negative or jealous, and you have a home here anytime you want.

As far as your golf, I'll help you any way I can.

 

[cal7426]

You have to remember that I have put alot of effort in at one time to understand this stuff to the sheer detailed complexity that I have.

You don't understand me or my history. Truthfully, I'm not being arrogant, its just I have lost the will and don't care about helping people (which actually used to be my sole intent). I've lost the will to play golf, lost the will to write about golf and share my knowledge and all my passion for the game has gone. I have been brought to the point by negative and jealous people where I ask myself, why do this anymore?

Deadly_Scope, I don't know you or your history or your experiences on other forums. However, it seems to me part of you is still interested in golf and is willing to pass on the knowledge you've learned over the years. This forum is all about expanding the knowledge base and as I'm pretty low on that particular food chain I would welcome your imput.

 

[Deadly_Scope]

I am not negative or jealous, and you have a home here anytime you want.

As far as your golf, I'll help you any way I can.

I know that Brian. Those comments aren't aimed at you in the slightest. I wouldn't be here at all if that were the case.

And it is true that I'm just so burned out of this damn sport. What kept my passion alive for such a long time at such a deep mental level was the interaction with other people. When I got treated the way I did in such a disingenious manner because I could logically destroy their precious yellow book, I found I just don't have the energy anymore. I just don't really care anymore about this sport. I'm so tired of writing posts which almost nobody understands certainly not by the 'normals' of this world. Seriously, what is the point in any of it?

 

[holeout]

I know that Brian. Those comments aren't aimed at you in the slightest. I wouldn't be here at all if that were the case.

And it is true that I'm just so burned out of this damn sport. What kept my passion alive for such a long time at such a deep mental level was the interaction with other people. When I got treated the way I did in such a disingenious manner because I could logically destroy their precious yellow book, I found I just don't have the energy anymore. I just don't really care anymore about this sport. I'm so tired of writing posts which almost nobody understands certainly not by the 'normals' of this world. Seriously, what is the point in any of it?

A very smart guy I know once said, "Between the promise and the payoff is the process -- and the process is the point."

Keep at it man. It'll make you stronger, and better.

 

[Kevin Shields]

You have to remember that I have put alot of effort in at one time to understand this stuff to the sheer detailed complexity that I have.

You don't understand me or my history. Truthfully, I'm not being arrogant, its just I have lost the will and don't care about helping people (which actually used to be my sole intent). I've lost the will to play golf, lost the will to write about golf and share my knowledge and all my passion for the game has gone. I have been brought to the point by negative and jealous people where I ask myself, why do this anymore?

Hey, I certainly dont doubt the knowledge but all these people want to learn. It could be a great place to share your stuff.

 

[Jared Willerson]

So, I take it the Macdonald drills didn't work out....seriously, I felt really bad for you even though you trashed us for a long time...I for one like your posts and believe it or not can understand them..

 

[pecky987]

matthew is not a teacher (i believe) so unlike brian does not need to convert the technicalities of the golf swing into a way that everyone understand.

the way i see it, when you know as much as matthew (deadly-scope) clearly does, you kinda have a right to be slightly arrogant, as very few people are on his particular level. doesnt affend me at all.

rip me apart all you want matthew for this post. i'd be honoured

 

[Jared Willerson]

First off his name is Mathew with one t. He knows a lot about the technicalities of how body and club work to perform a complex movement.

 

[Matt 4-L]

It's not the concepts that us "normal" golfers struggle understanding but the jargon of the yellow book. When you have to get the yellow book out to look up a word it's kinda hard to follow the concept being presented....Still waiting on that glossary of tems?????

 

[curtisj76]

It's not the concepts that us "normal" golfers struggle understanding but the jargon of the yellow book. When you have to get the yellow book out to look up a word it's kinda hard to follow the concept being presented....Still waiting on that glossary of tems?????

My personal belief is that Brian should give up on the yellow book. I think we've seen a great decrease over the years which I think is a good thing. I know many people here will disagree with me but I honestly think the GSED behind his name doesn't really do much for him career wise. I think his learnings gave him a great base but going forward if he wants to get where I think he wants to get he needs to give it up. I could be very wrong and I hope I didn't offend you Brian with what I just said.

 

[jake2]

Unfortunately, for Homer Kelley the left arm is above plane during the golf stroke which means that the uncocking motion with the flat left wrist concept would never be aligned to the inclined plane.

Now this can be reconciled with an offset where in the turned state, the bend of the left wrist occurs to the degree that the left arm goes into the plane in order to align the wristcock plane to the inclined plane.

The inline condition with the left arm above the plane is taken by using a vertical plane to the inclined plane through the left arm and impact is reached prior to this event in all good golf strokes. Obviously thats yet another huge contradiction in the book because if the roll was somehow automatic as Homer Kelley thought after the wristcock had 'run out' per the model, you would be past the point desired for impact. Even if this was possible the roll into impact would occur with such a burst in speed that the clubface control would be erratic.

So in summary, the release can be sequenced but certainly not the way Homer Kelley described it.

I wrote this very fast - so any typos, gramatical mistakes...etc or if its just too complex (and I did try to only cover the simple stuff that people might get)... I just don't care ...

I do not know how you could say it more clearly.
It seems to make perfect sense.

Thanks!

 

[welshdentist]

Pardon my simple explanation as I am seemingly the opposite of Mathew, always wanting to simplify.

But I cannot simplify it in my head until someone has correctly and thoughtfully worked out things in complex terms in the first place.

So Mathew, thank you for your contributions.

With regard the sequenced release, is is almost the opposite?

The roll occurs in the downswing after the left hand is out of the bent left wrist condition and then roll occurs along side the wrist uncocking to complete the release? There is not sequence other than, unbend, "unroll" and uncock. All melted together as one motion in the best combination for the shot in hand?

 

[puttmad]

There is not sequence other than, unbend, "unroll" and uncock. All melted together as one motion in the best combination for the shot in hand?

Actually WD there is a fractional time difference...the uncock (of the left wrist) must come before the "roll" otherwise you will be above plane.....try it in slow motion..

 

[Brian Manzella]

Actually WD there is a fractional time difference...the uncock (of the left wrist) must come before the "roll" otherwise you will be above plane.....try it in slow motion..

Baloney!

 

[puttmad]

...

Baloney!

Care to qualify that, maybe with some photo evidence.....

 

[curtisj76]

All I want to know is how is the club released? What are the hands doing?

 

[pecky987]

they are uncocking and unrolling. at some point and to different degrees depending on clubface rotation being used