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vjsinger

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I watched the Northern Trust today..and even to the untrained eye it is quite easy to see this "slowing of the hands " in Freddy Couples. Even from the typical DTL view they show on telecasts.I don't think its a coincidence that at very nearly 50 he kills it...I think this "snapping of the chain" has a great deal to do with it. Freddy is one of the best at swinging the clubhead on tour.
 
birdie_man

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You even put in a shot at nmgolfer!

I don't need any more proof of the hands slowing. (not a knock on you BTW mandrin)

I like the life lesson at the end.
 
birdie_man

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mandrin said:
There is a possibility that golf instruction might go the same direction. Science is good but the problem is that there are too many people around who have only one major preoccupation and that is to make money. In the same way that the marketing of golf clubs are loaded with esoteric pseudo scientific claims it might possibly develop the same way with future scientific type golf instruction.
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As far as I know there are not people who know how to cure cancer. (though you may want to insert a Conspiracy Theory here)

There are people who can cure Golf Cancer! (and Golf Syphillis)

Mainstream golf instruction may continue to go in the wrong direction.

I don't see how junk can continue to compete for too long though.

If you're debating on the side of inferior information you had better be a good debater!! (and business person/marketer)

The Mainstream Golf Media doesn't know what's what.
 
birdie_man

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PS I've gotta say...

I realized it can be used to work with flippers and to work on timing of all kinds......but I honestly didn't think too much of the Sonic Golf system when I first saw it. I haven't seen Grober's whole presentation BTW. (I think it was on Google video?)

I suppose though that seeing as pretty well anyone can easily associate movement to sound, it has got to be an area worthwhile looking into.

And, as I take it you (mandrin) are indicating, maybe it could work to sense and associate sound with all the alignments of the club, the forces at work upon it, and golf club "action." (caused by forces...noe dauwt)

Maybe we should associate with smell!! It is the sense longest remembered by the brain!!

Fart odour when you flip! Egad! Don't do that again...

Hamburgers with a sufficiently delayed release!!!

(lettuce for vegetarians)
 
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mandrin

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birdie_man said:
You even put in a shot at nmgolfer!

I don't need any more proof of the hands slowing. (not a knock on you BTW mandrin)

I like the life lesson at the end.
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birdie_man,

You are a smart fellow but there are still many, quite evident when touring other forums, for whom hands slowing slowing down and the associated implications still remain a complete mystery.

Mentioning nmgolfer. Rather funny, I just did a tour ‘elsewhere’ and noticed this strange post just put up by nmgolfer. Just another lengthy irrational collection of many vicious insults directed at mandrin this time belittling mandrin's analysis of Dr Grober’s sonic golf system being judged complete scientific baloney. ;)

Left but immediately went back to make a copy and to save this other precious pearl produced by nmgolfer, but already it had been eradicated by an efficient and quick censor action. What a pity. The fun of it all is that Dr. Grober himself, reading my post analyzing his system, reacted immediately in a very enthusiastic positive way. :D

Perhaps he erased it himself, in a rare moment of clear thinking, realizing that he made a complete fool of himself. :p With regard to life lesson at the end - perhaps a good idea if nmgolfer could learn how to let go otherwise it is going to affect his health.
 
mandrin

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birdie_man said:
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And, as I take it you (mandrin) are indicating, maybe it could work to sense and associate sound with all the alignments of the club, the forces at work upon it, and golf club "action." (caused by forces...noe dauwt)

Maybe we should associate with smell!! It is the sense longest remembered by the brain!!

Fart odour when you flip! Egad! Don't do that again...

Hamburgers with a sufficiently delayed release!!!

(lettuce for vegetarians)
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birdie_man,

Interesting thought provoking ideas. :)

Once you have the details down I would like to work out the mathematics. :eek:

However it looks like it is going to be a bit tough since I feel various intricate non-linearity’s to be operational in your ideas. :D
 
mandrin

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When emotions obscure reason…..

nmgolfer is seemingly fatigued. No wonder he does not sleep anymore. All his mental activity is exclusively focused on mandrin and likely producing vicious head aches. After having produced a post 'elsewhere' which was removed likely considered to be too blatantly an onerous attack on mandrin to be acceptable he has now pondered a shorter and softer version of the same type of nonsense.

He is so obsessed with mandrin that he does not even realize anymore that in trying so anxiously to ridicule mandrin's ideas, his 'arguments' definitely also very strongly belittle Dr Grober scientific ideas which are clearly explained in his entertaining and humorous lecture given at the Aspen Institute and which I have transposed into a mathematical form in my posts.

nmgolfer, I like to help. To find some mental equilibrium I suggest that you ‘empty your mind, be formless’ and only then let the wisdom of mandrin’s ideas enter into your mind. It will be a revelation, try it. :D
 
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Beware of elegant writings of this item.

I demoed the Sonic Golf Unit System-1 Pro Edition $599.00 for 30-days in January of 2009, with various students of varying abilities.

Brian, you make strong statements that this is a good product. How long did you use it for? What levels of students did you try it with. What were your results

This thing is a money magnet! Sonic Golf is a corporation, run by a board of directors. Ask the "Good Doctor". Give me break!.

Wake up people!

My testing results:

When video recorded with sound of unit through audio plug on camera rather then ear buds, from RX-1 Digital Audio Synthesizer/Receiver the sound does not match the video. This is also true if you record then up load it to photobucket of youtube. Email also caused the same problems

Students Handicaps:
12 - 24 No improvements, they did not like the unit hanging on there pockets, and the dangling cord from the head sets. Still could not compress the golf ball consistently. Still could not hold the flying wedges. No interest to buy.

5 - 12 Interesting idea. Still could not compress the golf ball consistently. Could not hit a line on the grass consistently. Erratic High tones and inconstant sound was annoying. Cost way to much.

Scratch - 5 Interesting idea. Ear buds fall out and and became a nuisance. Erratic High tones and inconstant sound was annoying. Main problem - What good is it if there are no models to com-pair to. Cost way to much. If it was 100 bucks, would buy won today.

Beware of elegant writings of this item. Snake oil sales men are very crafty and will often recruit others with gifts and rewards!
 
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RatherBeGolfing said:
I demoed the Sonic Golf Unit System-1 Pro Edition $599.00 for 30-days in January of 2009, with various students of varying abilities.

Brian, you make strong statements that this is a good product. How long did you use it for? What levels of students did you try it with. What were your results

This thing is a money magnet! Sonic Golf is a corporation, run by a board of directors. Ask the "Good Doctor". Give me break!.

Wake up people!

My testing results:

When video recorded with sound of unit through audio plug on camera rather then ear buds, from RX-1 Digital Audio Synthesizer/Receiver the sound does not match the video. This is also true if you record then up load it to photobucket of youtube. Email also caused the same problems

Students Handicaps:
12 - 24 No improvements, they did not like the unit hanging on there pockets, and the dangling cord from the head sets. Still could not compress the golf ball consistently. Still could not hold the flying wedges. No interest to buy.

5 - 12 Interesting idea. Still could not compress the golf ball consistently. Could not hit a line on the grass consistently. Erratic High tones and inconstant sound was annoying. Cost way to much.

Scratch - 5 Interesting idea. Ear buds fall out and and became a nuisance. Erratic High tones and inconstant sound was annoying. Main problem - What good is it if there are no models to com-pair to. Cost way to much. If it was 100 bucks, would buy won today.

Beware of elegant writings of this item. Snake oil sales men are very crafty and will often recruit others with gifts and rewards!
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Finally a real test with real golfers and not just an option. Thanks for posting your results.
 
cmartingolf

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cmartingolf said:
The good Dr. was two booths away from my booth. I took a demo and loved the feedback. It wouldn't take much practice to change a bad pattern but you would still have to organize the club face. I think the merits for good players wanting to be excellent players are abound. I would have loved to have seen an actual demo with a poor golfer to see any dramatic changes.

I will get a unit once my indoor studio is assembled in the Fall.

I can still hear the sound!!!!
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I didn't think it could educated the hands. I'm disappointed it doesn't sync up to the program??
 
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Sonic Golf to be featured on The Haney Project: Charles Barkley

From the Sonic Golf newsletter:

Sonic Golf to be featured on The Haney Project: Charles Barkley

This Golf Channel reality show premiered on Monday, March 2nd. Episode #2, which airs March 9th at 9 pm, will feature the use of System-1 to help improve Sir Charles' tempo. We haven't yet seen the video, but the rumor is it went pretty well. Tune in and find out.
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If the sound doesn't sync, that's a big problem. I was thinking of trying one. I think it might help me with rushing my transition.
 
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niblick1 said:
If the sound doesn't sync, that's a big problem. I was thinking of trying one. I think it might help me with rushing my transition.
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Agreed.

But that could be something that needs to be fixed, or maybe is a software issue that can be resolved.

I did not test the product very long, or with students. I liked the product, but thought I would find my own uses for it.

For the most part, I do not teach with training aids anymore.

I think most teachers probably should if it helps them.

In an indoor, or indoor/outdoor studio setting, I think I would purchase a unit.

Flying Wedges?

Ok.

So you are TGMer.

What in the world would make you think that this device will eliminate leakage, or poor alignments?

I sure didn't.

To me, it is TIMING device, and the first good AUDIBLE one.

It is NOT a teacher. Nor will it "compensate" for poor teaching, lazy teaching, or ignorant teachers.
 
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