Straight From The Trackman Trenches!!! (New Trackman Newsletter)

[twitch127]

Hey Brian,

Just reading Trackman's latest newsletter and guess what? Your information checks out (Just kidding)

It's a great sign when an independant golf forum publishes informative information before one of the best sources currently in the industry does ie. Trackaman

Great work B man

Ps All you swing left doubters read the link below - but you should have trusted Brian in the first place - The guy "does" know his stuff


http://trackman.dk/getmedia/2f6c5cdc-e153-466c-9e1a-f8b612947435/TMNewsJul2009_1.aspx



Twitch

 

[Kevin Shields]

I would encourage every single member of this forum to read the entire link.

 

[Ryan Smither]

I just finished reading the newsletter from my e-mail box and came here to post it up ... glad to see we're on the same page ...

The Martin Hall story is a good one ... glad to see the PGA Teacher of the Year is open-minded ...

Speaking of the devil, what's the over/under on the time it takes the PGA of America to consult with Trackman on some new ball flight laws? How long until Tuxen gets an invite to speak?

I wish somebody would just post up straight statistics of all the tour players (with ALL the numbers) ... How about a website with every tour player's swing on video with their Trackman numbers on the same page? That'd be worth a vacation day or three.

I'm still waiting on a more in depth analysis of ball position as it relates to all this aiming left/right business.

 

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

In the interview with Mr Tuxen he states that a 6.7º inside out clubhead path with a 1º closed face (relative to target line) will send the ball straight. Maybe I'm missing something here but wouldn't the ball move right to left as the face is closed to the path? Does it have something to do with the vertical plane?

Any help much appreciated.

James

 

[pecky987]

In the interview with Mr Tuxen he states that a 6.7º inside out clubhead path with a 1º closed face (relative to target line) will send the ball straight. Maybe I'm missing something here but wouldn't the ball move right to left as the face is closed to the path? Does it have something to do with the vertical plane?

Any help much appreciated.

James

it would START straight

 

[ggsjpc]

In the interview with Mr Tuxen he states that a 6.7º inside out clubhead path with a 1º closed face (relative to target line) will send the ball straight. Maybe I'm missing something here but wouldn't the ball move right to left as the face is closed to the path? Does it have something to do with the vertical plane?

Any help much appreciated.

James

start the ball straight, not fly straight.

 

[needham]

i guess I am stupid, cause I just dont understand the d-plane......glad I hit it pretty straight.........now if I could hook it around trees with out hitting the tree when I wanted to it would be great

 

[holeout]

In the interview with Mr Tuxen he states that a 6.7º inside out clubhead path with a 1º closed face (relative to target line) will send the ball straight. Maybe I'm missing something here but wouldn't the ball move right to left as the face is closed to the path? Does it have something to do with the vertical plane?

Any help much appreciated.

James

Maybe he meant while hitting up on it 7º? A 6.7º plane line right with 7º upward hit would be closer to straight...

 

[ggsjpc]

i guess I am stupid, cause I just dont understand the d-plane......glad I hit it pretty straight.........now if I could hook it around trees with out hitting the tree when I wanted to it would be great

This is a very simple concept. Don't let all the science confuse you.

Old way to hook around tree:

Aim face where you want ball to land and aim feet where you want the ball to start. If done correctly, ball will hit tree.

New way to hook around tree:

Aim face where you want the ball to start and swing right of the face. If done correctly, ball starts right of tree and draws. In the beginning, you won't know how much right to swing to create the amount of curve you need. It isn't packaged up nicely like the old way.

If you want all the details and specifics, you can pm me or do a search.

 

[goley]

"First of all, the data reveal that a shot’s Horizontal Launch Angle
(HLA) is 85% determined by face angle and only 15% determined
by club path. This means that starting a shot perfectly on line (0°
HLA) not only can be accomplished if the club path is 0° and the
face angle is 0°, but also if, for example, the club path is + 6.7° (inside-
out) and the face angle is 1° closed (relative to the target line)"

The +6.7 is the net club path( which could be +6.7 at level, +7.7 at +1 angle of attack, or +5.7 at -1 angle of attack... so on and so forth) and the clubface is 1' closed to the target line. If you divide the 6.7(which is the club path) by 7.7 (which is the club path plus the 1 degree closed clubface)you get .87%..... the start direction of the ball. Meaning the ball will start straight on line untill wind or spin, in this case hook spin will move it off the d-plane. I think I got this right and I hope it helps.

 

[vjsinger]

I just finished reading the newsletter from my e-mail box and came here to post it up ... glad to see we're on the same page ...

The Martin Hall story is a good one ... glad to see the PGA Teacher of the Year is open-minded ...

Speaking of the devil, what's the over/under on the time it takes the PGA of America to consult with Trackman on some new ball flight laws? How long until Tuxen gets an invite to speak?

I wish somebody would just post up straight statistics of all the tour players (with ALL the numbers) ... How about a website with every tour player's swing on video with their Trackman numbers on the same page? That'd be worth a vacation day or three.

I'm still waiting on a more in depth analysis of ball position as it relates to all this aiming left/right business.

And..everyone on the Manzella Forum just signed up for the newsletter...I did. cool stuff.

 

[cal7426]

And..everyone on the Manzella Forum just signed up for the newsletter...I did. cool stuff.

Good thinking, vy.

 

[Bill Miracle]

I know it's been discussed before but....can someone explain, in lay terms, swinging left. Is it bending the plane line after impact...aka NHA? Or something different?

 

[mb6606]

I know it's been discussed before but....can someone explain, in lay terms, swinging left. Is it bending the plane line after impact...aka NHA? Or something different?

Maybe the best way to figure this out is tape a pencil to the face of your 7 iron (lie angle tool). Go to impact fix. Look where your clubface/pencil is pointing. Clubface at impact determines 85% of direction. In order to get a zero/zero reading depending on the forward lean and down angle of attack - you will have to adjust your stance left.

Go back and re-read Brian's D-Plane article where he has graphics of the lie angle tool and the D-Plane.

 

[ggsjpc]

Maybe the best way to figure this out is tape a pencil to the face of your 7 iron (lie angle tool). Go to impact fix. Look where your clubface/pencil is pointing. Clubface at impact determines 85% of direction. In order to get a zero/zero reading depending on the forward lean and down angle of attack - you will have to adjust your stance left.

Go back and re-read Brian's D-Plane article where he has graphics of the lie angle tool and the D-Plane.

Baloney. What about the player that already swings it way left? I think this is where people keep getting confused. Be careful how it is put. Your quote is correct but it's better for everyone if you include the assumptions made such as solid contact and straight plane line.

 

[Michael Finney]

the thing in the newsletter that stood out to me was how much the trackman guys were sucking up to martin hall.....wow....

 

[mb6606]

Your quote is correct but it's better for everyone if you include the assumptions made such as solid contact and straight plane line.

Isn't that obvious? The thread is discussing the TM newsletter - optimum, 0/0, D-Plane and Trackman?

 

[ggsjpc]

Isn't that obvious? The thread is discussing the TM newsletter - optimum, 0/0, D-Plane and Trackman?

apparently not. I got a pm from someone reading this thread about just this topic. I think for the teacher's, it's obvious but what if someone was coming to this site for the first time. It always helps to help the new person.

 

[begolfpro]

This is from the Trackman newsletter. I thought somewhere on this forum Brian or some of his teachers mentioned that we should aim everything left including clubface. Can someone add something to this.

I can try: We can say that with the driver you need the same value
for attack angle and horizontal swing plane in order to obtain a 0°
club path – for example if your attack angle is +3°, the horizontal
swing plane needs to be +3° to obtain a club path of 0°. And for
irons it is half effect – for example if attack angle is -4°, the horizon-
tal swing plane needs to be -2° to obtain zero club path. In short,
aim left when hitting down on the ball and aim right when hitting
up upon the ball. And remember when I say ‘aim left’ I mean the
swing plane, the face angle should always be aligned towards the
target line.

 

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

start the ball straight, not fly straight.

Thanks for the clarification.

Two questions:

1. A downward blow imparted on the ball, as measured by Trackman, sees the clubhead hit at varying degrees above the ball's equator and travel down to the ground?

2. What is it about hitting down on the ball that produces more spin?

Any help much appreciated

James