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Good points. This is how I saw todays round Niblick. Tiger made 1 birdie on the par 5s today and with his speed and capabilities he should be able to score better even on those long ass par 5s. Tiger is a par5 killer and didn't do it today because he thinks he's too old. He is not reaching his full potential with his current pattern and I learned that today seeing how he played under extreme pressure. Sad.
 
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I though this round was a bigger indictment of Tiger's swing issues than at the Masters or The Open this year. With the Masters, you could say that it was his first Major back after the surgery. Then with the Open, he didn't putt well and the wind. But today he was incredibly conservative off the tee. And while his iron play was good for the most part, he wound up having such a long distance in the green he was either left with a longer iron or having to gas a shorter club. On the backside he seemed to realize that Yang wasn't going away and then he got a little more aggressive and lost his accuracy a bit off the tee.





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ggsjpc

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Outplayed. No question. He tried to play "I'll make pars let's see if you can catch me". Today someone did.
 
Richie3Jack

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needham said:
AND I loved every minute of it, good for the game I say.
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I agree to a certain extent. It sure beats him playing a so-so round and watching the rest of the field fall apart on the final day and Tiger coasting to a victory. The diehard golf fans love it because it's another Tiger win for his legacy. But the rest of the golf fans look at the rest of the Tour as second fiddle players who choke under pressure. And then when Tiger isn't around for an event, they really don't care to watch because they are watching a bunch of second fiddle chokers in their eyes.

What the game and Tour needs is some young, marketable players to do what Yang did today. Or if they wind up losing to Tiger, it's because Tiger's awesomeness was more awesome than their awesomeness. HUGE congrats to Yang, but he's not really a marketable young golfer. Perhaps this will give the young players the idea that if Yang can beat Tiger on the final day, so can they.

It would also be nice if they could somehow resurrect the dying LPGA Tour as well.





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totally agree 3 jack, tho as a die hard golf fan, I could care less about EW's legacy. And I am actually suprised EW didnt win. But I am VERY happy for Yang and golf in general. I think is only helps, shows once again that EW IS beatable. It shows that if the best players in the world hit golf shots and play well anything can happen in a major. The tour absolutly needs young exciting players to step up and carry the torch. Cause the "heart throb" group might not get there.

as far as the LPGA........nothing may save that and promote interest, short of a "girls of the LPGA" edition.
(well if they get enough that could qualify)
 
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Richie3Jack said:
It would also be nice if they could somehow resurrect the dying LPGA Tour as well.
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The LPGA definitely has seriously marketing troubles. The funny thing is while the guys in my Saturday foursome say they would watch if Michelle Wie or Paula Creamer or some other American was in contention, I personally find several of the most promising golfers, many of whom are South Korean, very compelling to watch. Michelle Wie is one of the least interesting and least likeable golfers on that tour -- for me.

But I am a golf nut. And not your average viewer.
 
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needham said:
totally agree 3 jack, tho as a die hard golf fan, I could care less about EW's legacy. And I am actually suprised EW didnt win. But I am VERY happy for Yang and golf in general. I think is only helps, shows once again that EW IS beatable. It shows that if the best players in the world hit golf shots and play well anything can happen in a major. The tour absolutly needs young exciting players to step up and carry the torch. Cause the "heart throb" group might not get there.

as far as the LPGA........nothing may save that and promote interest, short of a "girls of the LPGA" edition.
(well if they get enough that could qualify)
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you should check out the "wilhemanasp?" 7. pretty lpga players managed by a modeling agency
 
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needham said:
as far as the LPGA........nothing may save that and promote interest, short of a "girls of the LPGA" edition.
(well if they get enough that could qualify)
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That could well be true, but if so, it is pathetic. If the LPGA has to resort to selling cheesecake, they are truly doomed.

For golf nuts, there is plenty to watch when the LPGA plays good courses. If they are in the cheesecake business and not the sports business, the LPGA will finish in last place.
 
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birdie_man said:
Diehard Tiger fans??

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No, diehard golf fans. And there's nothing wrong with being a diehard fan, it should be encouraged to a degree.

But those are the fans that love to see Tiger win those tourneys when he plays so-so in the final round and the others that are close blow up on the final day (almost inexplicably) and Tiger coasts to a victory. Those fans will always be there for golf (again, which is great). It really doesn't matter if Tiger wins or Lance Ten Broeck wins, they'll still follow the game. But having Tiger win is a little bit of 'icing on the cake' because they are seeing a legend.

But for the average fan or the guy that golf could possibly get into the game, it becomes a problem because they look at the rest of the Tour as a bunch of second fiddle chokers and if Tiger isn't around, they are not watching. TV ratings and other golf popularity studies back this up.

There's some guys I think that are really marketable, they just need to do something to what Yang did today. When I think of this, I think of guys like Anthony Kim, Dustin Johnson, and Rory McIroy.





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I would call myself a diehard, I guess.

I root for 'The Other Guy' on every shot!

I will say...I learned today that I like Tiger because he makes me give a ----. (moreso)

He brings a certain excitement and potential to every event he plays in.

I still like to watch a match.
 
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Richie3Jack said:
HUGE congrats to Yang, but he's not really a marketable young golfer.


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He may not be marketable in the US, Richie, but this win will be a very big deal in South Korea and Asia - which is a very important market for the game of golf right now.
 
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cal7426 said:
He may not be marketable in the US, Richie, but this win will be a very big deal in South Korea and Asia - which is a very important market for the game of golf right now.
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That's great if the Tour was playing in South Korea or if we really needed the South Korean golf market to expand. Golf's popularity, particularly playing the game, has been down for the last 10 years and has dropped by a substantial amount in the US the past 5 years. Golf's popularity in Korea has grown dramatically over the years and I really don't see that stopping anytime soon, regardless if Yang won or not.

I still believe that Yang's win has helped the game to a degree, but a 37-year old journeyman isn't as marketable as Anthony Kim, McIroy, Dustin Johnson, etc.





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Golf's popularity worldwide matters a LOT for the PGA tour, for sponsorship dollars, for the quality of the best players in the world. If the PGA tour is the best tour in the world, then it matters what's happening in the rest of the world. Yang's victory is HUGE for worldwide golf and that makes it important for the PGA tour.

As for marketable players who play the PGA tour regularly: there are plenty who are marketable, but there need to be some who win under pressure and win majors. My money is on McIlroy: he played a fantastic final round yesterday after starting with a double. Very impressive finishes in the majors this year for a 20 year old. AK has amazing talent, but I don't think he has much of a clue about why the ball goes where it does.
 
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I just want to take McIlroy and hit him in the stomach for some reason.

How are you so good you little pudggggge!!

Get a haircut!!!

(Give me some of your game!!)

Siggghhhhh...just bide your time Pauly. Bide your time...

;):rolleyes:
 
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fronesis said:
As for marketable players who play the PGA tour regularly: there are plenty who are marketable, but there need to be some who win under pressure and win majors. My money is on McIlroy: he played a fantastic final round yesterday after starting with a double. Very impressive finishes in the majors this year for a 20 year old. AK has amazing talent, but I don't think he has much of a clue about why the ball goes where it does.
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I think my mom has more of a clue about why the ball goes where it does than AK after watching that Tiger clinic on The Golf Channel. Hard not to like McIlroy. Hopefully he doesn't attempt to grow a brain and go to some big name teacher and overhaul his swing.




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