swinging pattern?

[ggsjpc]

An argument I have heard is that the Address to produce zero shift does not look "golf like."
My memory is that it has also been concluded that David Toms shifts very early in the turn back to the TSP.

Fundamentally, other than the argument that most tour players shift, are there problems you would expect the player to have by selecting an Address plane angle the same as Impact?

DRW

No Power. That's a big problem. Assuming zero shift throughout the swing not just address and impact.

 

[ej20]

What is exactly meant to be shifting?

 

[Richie3Jack]

What is exactly meant to be shifting?

You go from one plane to another. HK had specific terms for specific shifts. Like a 'single shift' means the golfer goes from elbow to TSP on the backswing (one shift) and then just stays on the TSP on the downswing.

The 'double shift' goes from elbow-TSP on the backswing and then back down to the elbow plane on the downswing.





3JACK

 

[ej20]

You go from one plane to another. HK had specific terms for specific shifts. Like a 'single shift' means the golfer goes from elbow to TSP on the backswing (one shift) and then just stays on the TSP on the downswing.

The 'double shift' goes from elbow-TSP on the backswing and then back down to the elbow plane on the downswing.





3JACK

I understand plane shifts but what is meant to be shifting planes?The clubshaft?The sweet spot?The hands?The arms?

 

[DOCW3]

No Power

No Power. That's a big problem. Assuming zero shift throughout the swing not just address and impact.

Is this related to power accumulator #3 or something else?

 

[Mike O]

I understand plane shifts but what is meant to be shifting planes?The clubshaft?The sweet spot?The hands?The arms?

Shifting planes is the result of changing the plane angle during the swing while not altering the plane line on the ground. Consider the sweetspot and its slightly different but "equivalent" clubshaft and the hands - all on the same plane. The arms are off this plane and not relevant in this context.

 

[Mike O]

Here is the "sweet spot" zero shift pattern.Valid or void?

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A) It's possible to swing and not shift
B) shorter the shot i.e. putter - the more practical a zero shift might become
C) Assuming no parallax - your video isn't a zero shift- you're shifting. However, you don't need to post another one showing a zero shift - if you can do it and it works for you - go for it. However, don't think that a zero shift full swing has advantages over a shifting swing - not the case. It's like saying why don't you get rid of all the joint angles and just simplify your swing by standing straight up and down.

 

[Mike O]

An argument I have heard is that the Address to produce zero shift does not look "golf like."
My memory is that it has also been concluded that David Toms shifts very early in the turn back to the TSP.

Fundamentally, other than the argument that most tour players shift, are there problems you would expect the player to have by selecting an Address plane angle the same as Impact?

DRW

Having the address angle the same as Impact is a separate issue from shifting. In other words, you can start at address the same as impact and still shift throughout the swing.

 

[ej20]

A) It's possible to swing and not shift
B) shorter the shot i.e. putter - the more practical a zero shift might become
C) Assuming no parallax - your video isn't a zero shift- you're shifting. However, you don't need to post another one showing a zero shift - if you can do it and it works for you - go for it. However, don't think that a zero shift full swing has advantages over a shifting swing - not the case. It's like saying why don't you get rid of all the joint angles and just simplify your swing by standing straight up and down.

That video was posted by a TGM AI on another forum when I said a zero shift pattern was not physically possible.I then replied that there was shifting in that video just like you said as well.He then said it was the sweespot that was zero shifting.

I just find it amazing that some TGMers make it up as they go along.

The same TGM AI interpreted the turned shoulder plane as one that runs through the arm pit and not the tip of the right shoulder at the top of the swing.

 

[birdie_man]

Man...I love HK and still appreciate TGM and where he was going with it...

But TGM threads get to be pretty well all the same after a while. The discussion is cyclical. (especially if you have followed the forums long enough)

Good job Brian.

Here ye here ye! As ye goeth back ye shall cometh down!

-The TGM Cryer

 

[Steve Khatib]

Man...I love HK and still appreciate TGM and where he was going with it...

But TGM threads get to be pretty well all the same after a while. The discussion is cyclical. (especially if you have followed the forums long enough)

Good job Brian.

Here ye here ye! As ye goeth back ye shall cometh down!

-The TGM Cryer

Ha Ha Yeah a religious preaching experience. I thought golf was non denominational?