The Essential D-Plane - a movie by Brian Manzella

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Thanks for the video.

One question, do you think there is an optimum upward strike with the driver which minimises the risk of ending up hitting the ball in the left rough? What I've found with my own experiments and with students is that if there's too much up, having swung out to right field too much prior to impact, the weight tends to stay too far right and the clubface closes down too fast sending the ball low and left.

Any thoughts much appreciated.
 
Thanks for the video.

One question, do you think there is an optimum upward strike with the driver which minimises the risk of ending up hitting the ball in the left rough? What I've found with my own experiments and with students is that if there's too much up, having swung out to right field too much prior to impact, the weight tends to stay too far right and the clubface closes down too fast sending the ball low and left.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

I have seen quite the opposite with my driver swing. When I laterally move to the left to try to get to the ball with my body is when it goes left. If I have the feel of staying back with the axis tilt and get the hands out in front, then I can control the shots much better. I think the part Brian added about the hands moving up even with shaft lean is very important.
 
DBL thanks mate, I hadn't throught it through properly. I'm going to start a new thread to try to avoid taking this off topic too much.
 
I have couple of observations, and questions. I loved the video and have watched it 3 times.
This question came to me during my first viewing.

At one point Brian says something like this. If I'm playing for a score, I hit a fade. So my question
is why would you play golf if you weren't playing for a score? In other words, this hints that, at least,
for Brian's game, he doesn't use the hit up on the driver technique. Does this mean that hitting up is
less accurate? Is it harder to do? Next question.

Why do you connect hitting up with not hitting a fade?

As a group, the LPGA hits up 3*, and as a group they hit more fairways than the downward hitting PGA Tour.

Not sayin', I'm just sayin'.;)
 

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For the record I hit a fade AND hit up on it...

2 degrees up
45 degree VSP
0 degree HSP
2 degrees outside in
1 degree closed face
 

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Brian could someone who slices try to hit up and turn the slice into a fade or would that not be possible if it is possible what would they have to do?
 
I thought the video was great. Really solid info that needs to be well aired. A lot of the concepts are going to be familiar to the nerdier of us - but I think the video does a really good job of explaining this stuff to an audience that hasn't really given this any prior thought at all.

What I'm really hoping for now is a follow up. The video provides a really strong conceptual framework for how impact works. What would be great is to pull together some practical conclusions and guidelines for people to practice with.

For example - I think Brian says that, for his six iron and his relatively steep AoA, he needs to aim about 25 feet left of target. I wonder whether it's possible to give parameters that people can work within - say, most practical AoAs are going to result in a plane line aimed left between, say 5 and 30 feet?

Then again, what's the practical relationship between aim and HSP? I guess someone could line up perfectly parallel to their target line and then swing a little OTT and zero-out their path that way. Probably not wrong in itself - but are there limits?

How should alignment vary through the bag? Driver was dealt with, but is a special case where the ball is teed. But if you get your set-up and swing dialed for a 6 iron, what should you expect to change for long irons, fw woods or short irons.

What about face alignment? I suppose that a perfectly consistent grip and release would result in perfectly consistent clubface alignment at the lowpoint of the swing. But the point here is that different clubs are reaching impact at different points in their arc. Presumably, the steeper the AoA the more open the clubface. How do you control or allow for this hitting different clubs out on the course?

I think Brian did a great job of showing how, using trackman, you would go about zeroing out your swing for one particular club. Is it a good strategy to even try and do this right through the bag? Is it better to try and minimise the changes in your set up and swing, and accept some predictable changes in your ballflight with different clubs? I even wonder, do sweepers have an easier time of it than diggers, because their shallow angle of attack results in less variation in their impact alignments?
 
mgranato asked, "Why do you connect hitting up with not hitting a fade?"

Good question. I don't think I ever made that connection before the whole Trackman, hit up, draw the ball,
pickup 30 yards thing. Spent most of my golfing life hitting fades off the tee, (The Nicklaus Book"). Pretty sure I never thought about whether that persimmon head was swinging down, up, or flat.

I never heard any mention of hitting up, and fading it on this forum until Brian's post. What I heard was hit up 4-5 degrees, clubface aimed at target, path farther right just the right amount, and the ball will go straight at the target. Brian's numbers are pretty interesting. Think I have a better chance of pulling that off. However, with no access to a Trackman locally, I can only try it and guess.
 
So I got on a trackman today to figure out adjustments for the D Plane. Here are the stats below. What does the 1.7443 Radiant mean again for the calculations?

Driver Stats
Attack Angle +1.3
VSP 52.5
Carry Distance 237
Adjustment for correct D Plane 4.1 yards to the right

6 iron Stats
Attack Angle -5.8
VSP 65.1
Carry Distance 146
Adjustment for correct D Plane 6.9 yards to the left
 
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I just use degrees, not Radians:

CP = HSP - [AA x tan(90-VSP)]

All variables are in degrees.

Zero'd out 6 iron: means CP = 0*.

HSP = AA x tan(90-65)
HSP = -5.8 x tan(25*)
From trig tables the tangent of 25* is 0.47
HSP = -5.8 x 0.47
HSP = - 2.7*

So you aim/hit 2.7* Left to hit a straight shot to the target with the given 6-iron variables.
 
Driver:

HSP = 1.3 x tan(90-52.5)
HSP = 1.3 x 0.77
HSP = 1.0 (to the right 'cause it's positive)

OR

You can figure out HSP from the 3 and 4th data points:

tangent(HSP) = 4.1/237
tangent(HSP) = 0.0173

From the tangent tables you look up 0.0173 and the angle is 1.0 degrees.

HSP = 1.0 degree

Pretty cool, eh?
 
Don't know the answer to your question.

However, 6 iron Stats, Attack Angle -5.8, VSP 65.1, Carry Distance 146
sure look like an opportunity. Very steep, and very short for a 6 iron.
 
About a 20-30 mph right to left wind in my face, my normal distance with my six iron is 175.

Trackman Average of ten shots
Clubhead Speed 87.8
Attack Angle -5.8
Club Path .3
VSP 65.1
HSP -2.4
Face Angle .9
 
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I apologize if this question has been covered, but in a good golf swing does the VSP# match closely to the lie angle of the club? Should this be the goal for this measurement?
 
Not sure if I said it but great video- thanks Brian.

At the least this will get it back up to the top so people who haven't seen it can get a look.
 
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