Brian Manzella
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Martee...lead has ALWAYS been scared to death of The Machine...
he better be scared of the stallion..............
he better be scared of the stallion..............
The Future of TGM ?
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Maybe Leadbetter thinks it is pointless farting at thunder and it is good policy to align himself with TGM before it over runs him ? As Wiseoldowl says it is only a matter of time before TGM becomes the dominant force in golf instruction. I had lessons from Leadbetters former partner Denis Pugh a few years back . Looking back I can see that a lot of his terms were TGM but he never let on where he got his information from. If there is any truth in Leadbetter getting his swing from Mac O'Grady he is teaching a form of third hand TGM anyway as many of Mac's ideas were evolved from his TGM teaching.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't care for "Fast Willie" Leadbetter as much as the next fella on this forum, but TGM is a catalog of swings, not only one swing. If you steal from Mac, you steal from Mac, not Homer. From what I see of Mac's swing, Lead isn't even close to a real copy. Maybe the problems within TGM is that some think there is a single swing to teach disregarding all othere legit combos.
Brian, it looks to me like you straighten up some before transfering weight at the top, am i seeing right?.
One thing I always thought I saw great golf swings do, and every PGA instructor said no ("thats a reverse pivot then")was let their hands tilt them towards the target when theyreach the top. See Els, Couples.
Brian, it looks to me like you straighten up some before transfering weight at the top, am i seeing right?.
One thing I always thought I saw great golf swings do, and every PGA instructor said no ("thats a reverse pivot then")was let their hands tilt them towards the target when theyreach the top. See Els, Couples.
Interesting observation.
I know it drives me up the wall when someone asks who on the tour is TGM trained or has a TGM swing or what instructors teach TGM.
Doesn't exist.
Doyle teaches Doyle, Mac teaches Mac and Brian Teaches Brian.
Now they all seem to base thier golf instruction tenets on TGM. This is a good thing, makes them very well rounded to be able to troubleshoot anyone's golf swing no matter what method the golfer subscribes too. I am guessing, but I don't believe these instructors would base their solutions solely on THEIR METHOD but would base it on the golfer's swing using the knowledge from TGM encylopedia to provide a solid solution. Whereas those who know not or little of TGM will have less of a knowledge base to define a solution for the golfer's swing and may in fact have to revert back to either Conventional Golf Wisdom or thier limit the solution to thier method and experience. This can lead to the square peg in the round hole problem.
Why those don't wave TGM for all to know, I believe they are trying to establish themselves and have their method. This still doesn't mean that the only solutions they offer would be thier method based.
The true power of the golf instructor who in TGM knowledgable, THEY CAN TROUBLESHOOT any golfer swing, no matter who's method is being employed, cause they have the knowledge of the golf swing.
JMO...
Brian Manzella
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Good post martee...a lot of good stuff in there.
I have been involved with several golf instructional books with some wonderful teachers, not true TGMers but all with sound teaching methods. Glenz in NJ, Sones in Chicago, and Hank down in Texas were the last three books I helped produce. I have had an idea for a while about a TGM book, but after the “sale” to Joe Daniels and Danny Elkins and thought Evans, I had to rethink the project. Can anyone now write an instructional book and even mention TGM or TGM terminology without paying Daniels and Elkins for the right? We are acquiring about that now.
It seems that the “sale” may in the long run restrict the growth of TGM.
It seems that the “sale” may in the long run restrict the growth of TGM.
Brian Manzella
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you may be right
jury is out
you may be right
jury is out
Don't know the amount of money, but they bought it complete lock stock and barrel. Using of the TGM logo requires their premission. It is my understanding if you are going to be certified, it will be by them or through their organizational structure. Also to use the Logo's and etc you will have to maintain your status with them.
They have all the notes, original manuscripts, books, etc. They will be the one's publishing the next version and they are looking into logo shirts, etc.
The testing is or has been revamped.
Don't know what happens if you take classes from someone not part of TGM org, will you be certified or not, my guess is not.
They are trying to increase public awareness and wish to change thier image. They hope the TGM personnel will be positive examples and advertise that they are TGMers.
That is all I know, anything else is pure rumor that I have heard.
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I really want to say something here I feel is very important.
What about who is the BEST TEACHER? Homer was, for the most part, a researcher, and I feel like I have done as much research as teaching.
Ben ALWAYS felt that he figured out a PRACTICAL APLLICATION from the book and Homer, but also from experience and trail and error.
The Book was written this way!
I feel like I have taken the information in the book, the information from Ben, and my own THOUSANDS of hour of research, to come up with MY METHOD of getting people to hit the ball better. Like Homer said "This book EXPLAINS ALL METHODS."
Getting ALL TYPES OF GOLFERS to reach their golfing potential and have fun in the process is what I do. Isn't that what it's all about?
What about who is the BEST TEACHER? Homer was, for the most part, a researcher, and I feel like I have done as much research as teaching.
Ben ALWAYS felt that he figured out a PRACTICAL APLLICATION from the book and Homer, but also from experience and trail and error.
The Book was written this way!
I feel like I have taken the information in the book, the information from Ben, and my own THOUSANDS of hour of research, to come up with MY METHOD of getting people to hit the ball better. Like Homer said "This book EXPLAINS ALL METHODS."
Getting ALL TYPES OF GOLFERS to reach their golfing potential and have fun in the process is what I do. Isn't that what it's all about?
Have you got any idea of how other A1s feel about this take over. I understand from posts that I have read that Chuck Evans is none to pleased with the situation and he always came over as a reasonable guy. It would appear from the outside that TGM has been hijacked and this must put a lot of A1s in a very awkward position. As now the terms are being dictated by Joe Daniels and Danny Elkins .
I don't believe that Hijack is at all what happen based on the limited conversations I have had. They seem very committed to making TGM a success. From what little I understand they are trying to build some structure/organization to move forward and build on, rather than let it wander around aimlessly.
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I'd really like to hear what happened with them and Chuck..
..and what they said about Ben.
..and what they said about Ben.
So would I.
It seemed to me that Chuck was the one person in that group who seemed to have the passion for teaching, for spreading the word. I was so surprised to see him leave. I thought it was for health or family or something.
Now Chuck has his faults, he seemed to be at times as ornery as you Brian. I remember once while explaining a section of the book -- and I owe a whole lot to chuck and his moderators, golfingrandy and such for their help -- and everyone was replying, “well Ben says this, Ben says that” that Chuck in no uncertain terms said no more reference to Ben Doyle. He said that Ben has his method and I have mine.
I think Ben might be the key to TGM future. In what role, I don’t know, I’m still thinking this out.
Another question.....Can’t swingers and hitters ever get along? Is this the big family feud of TGM?
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