The move to strike the ball is an inward pull from the left and FATS from the right
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Kevin Shields
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Huh? Force Across the Shaft is through the plane - beta
Kevin Shields
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I'd say away from the target, then down, then forward then up and in. But different feels on different days certainly work? I let my feels be dictated by my tendencies and ballflight
tongzilla
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I think I get what wuls is getting at.
Beta is more like tumble force...shaft getting steeper and the shaft pivoting off plane. Whereas FATS is also off plane but a parallel shift off plane?
Whether running a lemonade stand, a fortune 500 company, magazine or an online golf forum, the goal is the same. To grow you need to take care of your customers, and if you don't somebody else will.
I get it if the goal is to stay small and primarily cater to a small group of regulars. However, everything about Manzella says go big. Not sure his mission statement for this forum and personal goal of becoming the best teacher is best served with an inside the bubble strategy.
A business model that relies on a small group of repeat customers is destined to stay small. Just my 2 cents.
Going forward how about if someone explains an acronym without being asked and then someone praises that, you keep your ridicule to yourself. A little less ego and accepting of constructive criticism could be a positive thing.
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Yes, zilla, this parallel aspect of FATS is what I was alluding to.
Yo, Keefer. I don't think you are considering the larger picture of what's going on. Brian (et al) is coming out with a book in the "near" future where all sorts of swing information will be presented. Right now, everything is developmental and pre-press. Little tidbits are released and discussed, and that naturally is for a small segment.
I think your patience will be rewarded.
I think your patience will be rewarded.
Michael Finney
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FATS can be anytime and anywhere during the swing.....alpha, beta, and maybe in some way gamma......in order to twist the shaft along its long axis, you grip the club with some pressure and send "force across the shaft".....
minutia, yes....but ain't it fun
alpha FATS - attempting to look like hogan after a divot
beta FATS - left hand FATS toward the body and right hand FATS away from the body to create tumble
gamma FATS - the fingers wrap around the grip and FATS is everywhere - 360* of it
then we dive into the realm of active FATS and passive FATS (reactionary FATS)
and an active "force normal to the path of the clubhead" - parametric
and a reactionary "force normal to the path of the clubhead" - holding on to the grip as the club accelerates and it attempts to fly out of your hands...
i know o'grady supposedly had things figured out 25 years ago, but this hand path and hand force stuff is tremendoulsy big....thanks, dr. nesbit and dr. miura for explaining things that morad and the golfing machine never got around to
minutia, yes....but ain't it fun
alpha FATS - attempting to look like hogan after a divot
beta FATS - left hand FATS toward the body and right hand FATS away from the body to create tumble
gamma FATS - the fingers wrap around the grip and FATS is everywhere - 360* of it
then we dive into the realm of active FATS and passive FATS (reactionary FATS)
and an active "force normal to the path of the clubhead" - parametric
and a reactionary "force normal to the path of the clubhead" - holding on to the grip as the club accelerates and it attempts to fly out of your hands...
i know o'grady supposedly had things figured out 25 years ago, but this hand path and hand force stuff is tremendoulsy big....thanks, dr. nesbit and dr. miura for explaining things that morad and the golfing machine never got around to
Brian Manzella
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Negative BETA is off plane below plane.
To me that is a PULL IN down by the ball. NOT FATS!
Of course MDF is right, in effect it is.
To me that is a PULL IN down by the ball. NOT FATS!
Of course MDF is right, in effect it is.
Michael Finney
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FATS to me was always the alpha version that was used to attempt to get the look of a flat left wrist well after impact - belly view....
I had to resolve that FATS versus the Miura/Nesbit inward pull (normal to the path of the clubhead)
I had to resolve that FATS versus the Miura/Nesbit inward pull (normal to the path of the clubhead)
Kevin Shields
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I would hardly call what you do "constructive criticism"
ZAP
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There is not a forum anywhere that gives away anywhere near the information that this one does. I will admit that it takes some time to learn the acronyms and the vernacular around here. It is easier to understand a lot of the stuff when you have taken a lesson from one or two of the instructors and bought and watched a couple of the videos. A little curiosity goes a long way.
Hey all I did was credit someone for explaining an acronym. You took exception and had to chime in with some condescending remark. I call you out on it and you start a pissing contest. I'll let you have the last word bubbleboy.
Kevin Shields
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Hey, thanks, I'll take the last word. You're a douche.
JEREMY5577
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Here is a video explanation of the acronym "JT". [video]http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBlcqSsQfK68&sa=X&ei=_st6UOeaDYrY2gWHkoGgBQ&ved=0CDMQuAIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGhArrTLEy5HVnOCwJgoWekFzPbIg[/video]
Kevin Shields
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And to be fair to the theme I think he was trying to make, I will try not to use acronyms (I don't much anyway) as much anymore.
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