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mandrin

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

The left shoulder moving UP
MAKES the club go down!!!

Watch...

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/leftshoulderup.mov
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In the interesting clip, with Brian, on his knees in his living room, chopping away at the floor, there is further explaining... ‘the ONLY way a divot can occur is with the left shoulder moving up’.

An avid golfer, seeing Brian’s post above, might think this to be a kaon submitted by a zen golf instructor to his disciples to provoke, through an intense search for its true sense, the desired enlightenment.

I got inspired by Brian’s clip to model the ‘swing’ in the clip to meander a bit re to the subject of hitting up or down on the ball using the simple one-lever swing Brian is demonstrating in his clip. Even for this very simple case it is worthwhile to have a closer look. [:p]

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Brian Manzella

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In PIC 1, I use a 20° #4 Accumulator (the left arm across the chest) Angle for ALL THREE FRAMES.

The result in the one Mandrin showed in his graphic. The clubhead (End of the lever) would be moving up at impact.
lowpoint1.gif


But, in a real golf swing, the #4 Accumulator angle is released from somewhere near 45°, to much less at impact.

In this PIC and the next, the result all TGMers know—the left shoulder moving UP and the clubhead moving DOWN, WITH a FORWARD LEANing shaft—exists.
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mandrin

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Brian, interesting... from one post to another stimulating progression... being totally wrong to some more less ‘definite’ statements. Incubating, and so forth... [:p]

Overnight I noticed that my golf model Brian, on his knees and trail arm behind him, has learned some other interesting ways to swing a club even when solidly glued to his lead forearm.

Model Brian is now capable of generating such an extended flat spot that Treevino’s claim to a large extended flat spot appears almost negligible, in comparison.

It is beyond this world... it is the ultimate perfection... simple, pure straight lines... mathematical precision... a golfer’s delight and paradise... have a look.

Hopefully, it also stimulates some questioning with regard to concepts such like, low point, swing center and swing radius.

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I have discussed accumulators #5 and #6. I alluded to a 7th one. Did ya'll think I was bluffing?

#7 is the shoulder tilt action, well demonstrated by Brian. From 4 accumulators in TGM, you now have 75% more. Go ahead and bash, I KNOW #7 can add actionary power in certain models and reactionary power in others.. .

It moves from an out of line condition (at the top of the swing) to an in line position at some point before impact with momentum and continuing action taking it once again to out of line position all the way to finish. True, it is partially tied to #4, but all of the accumulatores
are interconnected to an extent (varies with swing model).

Remember I said Hogan and Moe Norman discussed this? They both used shoulder tilt power.

Is there an accumulator #8? Yes there is. Think I'm bluffing? lol
 
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Tom Bartlett

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quote: Think I'm bluffing? lol
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The fourth power accumulator-The angle formed by the Left Arm and Left Shoulder is the Fourth Power Accumulator. It is Pivot (Body) Power supplying the initial acceleration of the Downstroke to throw the Lever Assemblies toward Impact by the Thrust of the Shoulder Turn. It is the first link in the Swing Radius power train between the Club and the Feet. "Left Arm Power" in any form or amount can still be considered #4 Accumulator Action. Otherwise it actually substitutes for the Pivot to introduce the circular motion required to produce Centrifugal Force.
It's called covering all the bases. It doesn't matter if you weren't bluffing HK had a Royal Flush.
 
mandrin

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

So what exactly are you saying?
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Teaching emphatically that it is ONLY by moving the left shoulder up one is capable of hitting down and taking a divot is totally wrong. I had expected a bit more from the world #1 teacher, from the teacher of teachers. :)

It is rather paradoxical that your advice might lead to the opposite effect. Many aspiring golfers are already inclined to ‘help’ the golf ball to get up into the air. Your advice might simply even more reinforce this bad habit. :(
 
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I agree with Mandarin. There is no way the low point would be opposite to the left shoulder when the shoulder is turning around a stationary neck/spine joint (sorry, I am not good at description). It is not geometrically possible. I have raised this question before and have not got a satisfactory answer. It may be my swing, but the low point somewhere behind opposite to left shoulder.

This is the only thing in Brian's golf teaching I do not agree (or don't understand)
 
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MizunoJoe

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quote:Originally posted by palmreader

This is the only thing in Brian's golf teaching I do not agree (or don't understand)
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If you don't understand low point, then you also don't understand the #1 Imperative - the flat left wrist. :(
 
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palmreader

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Mizuno,

Thanks for the comment. I understand the low point and the flat left wrist. I employ them in my swing. But the low point is not opposite to left shoulder. It happens before club head gets there. That is all I am saying and it does not prohibit me from maintaining the flat left wrist. IMO
 
birdie_man

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What if the ball is in the middle of the golfer's stance Brian?

I hit down on shots in the middle of my stance sometimes......divot taken.
 
birdie_man

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There must be a reason why this happens though.....I want to hear Brian explain.

I've been wondering about this for a while...want to hear Brian explain it.

I know it has to do with Axis Tilt....and maybe thinking of the path of the hands down and toward Low Point.
 
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David Alford

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MJ wote:

<Just like you've been bluffing us with a swing video! >

Do you REALLY believe that? Why would I volunteer after 6bee wouldn't post his?
Contrary to your perception, I have nothing to hide.I haven't uploaded a dv movie before, shouldn't be too hard,
but I won't try until after XMAS. At any rate, you'll apologize for doubting my word, when it is posted, right?
 
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