Think about THIS! ....

[rundmc]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I would simply refer you to the teaching of Mr. Torre as he explains it quite eliquently. But to say the least about it, why must your tricep be active instead of passive? Why must your left arm pull or your right arm push. Why can they not also be acting on centrifugal force of the upper arms rotating around the spine? You can still add muscular effort to the upper arms as well, but again the only thing changing the alignment would be either a movement of your swing center (sorry, movement of the shoulder axis) or centrifulgal force. Forearm and hand action would be removed from the equation and in it's place is an automatic release.

Elbows relaxed, stay in balance. I've struck some of my longest drives doing that. The left arm is straight because it swings back. Right elbow automatically bends the way it's supposed to because the momentum of the club is rising to over the right shoulder. The hands work properly because of the momentum of the club and their natural tendency to stay in line with the rest of the arm.

But again, if you really want to know about it, MDLT is the source.

Ringer,

Instead of "muscular effort" from the upper arms, could it be that you are feeling the the pivot thrusting against the upper left arm (PP4) and giving the impression that there is power from the upper arms?

If you look at pics of very good players their left arm is "welded" (to borrow a phrase from Yoda) against their chest particularly with swingers. But it seems if you use the upper arms (biceps I assume) this pressure would be lost and the left arm would move away from the body vs. being "connected."

This isn't a challenge just a question.

Muchas!

R

 

[MizunoJoe]

David,

Major winners, Crenshaw and Kite wouldn't agree - I saw Penick teaching them this "right hand crossover for snap" in a group lesson.

 

[Ringer]

quote:Originally posted by corky05


1) The "Spinning Top" has an external source of power. The string

2) The Top is built efficiently. Tightly compressed sphere narrowing to a hard pointed tip of steel.

3) Spinning efficiency in ballet occurs on one pointed foot, arms tightly against your body. Golfers are horribly efficient spinners; two legs spread shoulder width and our arms extended. Golfers do everything to impede efficient rotational force.

4) That's why we work better using the left arm and golf club as a lever, the left shoulder being the origin (center of that lever)

I think that clarifies and substantiates the inefficiency.

I'm not sure how any of these even apply corky. All that did was confuse me even more. [V]

 

[Ringer]

quote:Originally posted by rundmc
Ringer,

Instead of "muscular effort" from the upper arms, could it be that you are feeling the the pivot thrusting against the upper left arm (PP4) and giving the impression that there is power from the upper arms?

If you look at pics of very good players their left arm is "welded" (to borrow a phrase from Yoda) against their chest particularly with swingers. But it seems if you use the upper arms (biceps I assume) this pressure would be lost and the left arm would move away from the body vs. being "connected."

This isn't a challenge just a question.

Muchas!

R

I appreciate a good question. You're right, it is a lot of shoulders... and there's no doubt that PP #4 is in use. But there is a vertical aspect to the way the arms move with the body. It also can be seen as a similar debate of Pivot controled hands vs. Hand controlled pivot. Does the body move to facilitate the intended motion, or does the motion cause everything to move?

When you throw a baseball overhand.. the whole arm is active. It must be loose and limp as the ball is released or else there is a lot of inconsistency... yet everything is still moving and active. But it is the whipping motion of the arm which creates the most velocity. Any muscular effort to make the forarm rotate around the elbow will cause quite erratic throws. But if the elbow is limp, but being directed, the throw is easily done with plenty of velocity. The same sort of process can occur in the swing. A closer motion of what the right arm does could be observed in a "skipping a rock" motion. Direct the elbow, but keep it limp and a lot of velocity is created.

 

[David Alford]

M.Joe, right induced x-over certainly can accomplish the job.

 

[corky05]

How convenient! Thats a first.

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

quote:Originally posted by corky05


1) The "Spinning Top" has an external source of power. The string

2) The Top is built efficiently. Tightly compressed sphere narrowing to a hard pointed tip of steel.

3) Spinning efficiency in ballet occurs on one pointed foot, arms tightly against your body. Golfers are horribly efficient spinners; two legs spread shoulder width and our arms extended. Golfers do everything to impede efficient rotational force.

4) That's why we work better using the left arm and golf club as a lever, the left shoulder being the origin (center of that lever)

I think that clarifies and substantiates the inefficiency.

I'm not sure how any of these even apply corky. All that did was confuse me even more. [V]