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Looks good ringer
What an astonishingly beautiful swing!!!
Ringer - you now have one of the best swings that I have ever seen.
You have corrected your problem, and now your clubshaft cuts across the lower half of your right upper arm during the mid-downswing. It is much shallower than before, and it's now perfect.
I noticed that you have also corrected your end-backswing problem.
See - http://jeffmann.net/RingerTiger3.jpg
Note that your right elbow was floating too high in the "before" photo and it didn't have enough of an acute bend. Now your right elbow has a more acute bend and your left arm is more across the shoulder turn (which is also less horizontal). I also notice that your right elbow point doesn't lift up anymore at the start of the downswing. Fantastic!
I know you guys don't like comparison photos, but I think that your present end-backswing position now looks like Tiger Woods' backswing position.
I am curious. What did you consciously do to improve your swing so quickly?
Jeff.
Ringer - you now have one of the best swings that I have ever seen.
You have corrected your problem, and now your clubshaft cuts across the lower half of your right upper arm during the mid-downswing. It is much shallower than before, and it's now perfect.
I noticed that you have also corrected your end-backswing problem.
See - http://jeffmann.net/RingerTiger3.jpg
Note that your right elbow was floating too high in the "before" photo and it didn't have enough of an acute bend. Now your right elbow has a more acute bend and your left arm is more across the shoulder turn (which is also less horizontal). I also notice that your right elbow point doesn't lift up anymore at the start of the downswing. Fantastic!
I know you guys don't like comparison photos, but I think that your present end-backswing position now looks like Tiger Woods' backswing position.
I am curious. What did you consciously do to improve your swing so quickly?
Jeff.
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I love photos.
Jeff, you seem like a nice guy, but your analysis show to me that you really need to buy some books with great golfer swings in it. Study it for a bit and then report back.
Here is a little list.
The Methods of Golf Masters - Dick Aultman and Ken Bowden
The Venturi Analysis - Ken Venturi
Square-to-Square Golf in Pictures - Jim Flick
Master Golfers in Action - Louis Stanley
Bob Toski's Complete Guide to Better Golf - Toski
Golf For Junior's - Johnny Miller
Power Golf - Ben Hogan
How to Play Golf - Sam Snead
Recomendations from the rest of the folks here can add to this list.
I will do my part, as in the next couple of months, we will add our entire High-Speed Video Library to the site.
Jeff,
If you really want to help golf, just stick around and soak it all up. You'll get there real soon, as smart as you are.
Ringer
Beautiful! More 3 D downswing, pivot is no longer jammed by being stacked too vertical--thus causing right shoulder to roundhouse. Divergent forces vectors are more distinct and much cleaner. Looks like some energy that was previously lost in the jammed-up over stacked pivot has been diverted into ACC #1 via downswing float loading. Nice!
Beautiful! More 3 D downswing, pivot is no longer jammed by being stacked too vertical--thus causing right shoulder to roundhouse. Divergent forces vectors are more distinct and much cleaner. Looks like some energy that was previously lost in the jammed-up over stacked pivot has been diverted into ACC #1 via downswing float loading. Nice!
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Try Amazon mate...or just Google the names and the authors (works for me)
Sometimes they come up on Fleabay as well...
Try Amazon mate...or just Google the names and the authors (works for me)
Sometimes they come up on Fleabay as well...
I'm still trying to figure out how to put it into words. Some would say I'm keeping my back to the target longer... but that's not really my goal. It's more with the arms. I'm forcing them DOWN sooner.
If you were to stand with your back to the target so that the ball is by your left foot, and with the club just in you left hand try to hit it behind you... this is the DIRECTION I'm trying to get my arms to go.
I came accross this when I was actually thinking of my very first instructor. He was a "left arm should dominate" guy. Actually, the best instructor I ever had. But he pointed out that from the top of the backswing, the left arm must first move toward the ball with the the underside of the forearm. If you rotate your forearm so that you are backhanding toward the ball, you have lost power and control of the club. It's much harder to swing.
I haven't perfected it yet as my timing is all over the place. But the swing is much better and I can finally feel a real snap of the club. Like a whip that club swings around through the ball. Before I just pulled and pulled with my pivot.
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Ringer,
One of the best descriptions I have found for perfecting that, "delay the left arm rotation" thing, is to picture you are swinging a long knife or sword.. From the top bring the sword down with the cutting edge of the blade attacking the ball and at the last moment turn the sword so the flat of it hits the ball..
Works for me...
Another one I have used is simply to keep the right hand "under" the left hand as long as possible in the downswing...
Ringer,
One of the best descriptions I have found for perfecting that, "delay the left arm rotation" thing, is to picture you are swinging a long knife or sword.. From the top bring the sword down with the cutting edge of the blade attacking the ball and at the last moment turn the sword so the flat of it hits the ball..
Works for me...
Another one I have used is simply to keep the right hand "under" the left hand as long as possible in the downswing...
Ringer,
One of the best descriptions I have found for perfecting that, "delay the left arm rotation" thing, is to picture you are swinging a long knife or sword.. From the top bring the sword down with the cutting edge of the blade attacking the ball and at the last moment turn the sword so the flat of it hits the ball..
Works for me...
Another one I have used is simply to keep the right hand "under" the left hand as long as possible in the downswing...
No no no no.....
The crucial part is where your back is. THIS is the distinction... and precisely why I had so much problem with this before.
Your description alone did not work for me. If I am lined up parallel to the target, I can do the motion you speak of. But that was causing me all sorts of problems.. so I wrote it off.
The real key difference between what you are saying and what I'm saying is that my BACK IS TURNED so that I'm pulling DOWN instead of SIDEWAYS.
No disrespect Puttmad, but your description is incomplete. Your description can be accross the chest, mine goes directly vertical and out in FRONT of the chest. Yours CAN be horizontal.. mine is vertical.
Well yes and no. I'm not looking for that sensation. It's more like the pull TURNS ME. Instead of the turn pulling the club.
Basically I'm trying to eliminate the 4th Accumulator. I'm relying more on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
I don't think Brian would let me post it. It's his website and he may want to do a video on it. If he says it's ok then I'll put one together but I don't want to step on his toes.
BTW, anyone wanna guess who that is in the background? I'll give you a hint. He's a 3 time pro-bowler.
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Sorry Ringer, I should have explained.
My first action on the downswing is to compress my right side and try and raise my right heel (while my back is facing the target). That brings my right shoulder straight down towards my right hip. I don't have to pull anything. The right side compression automatically brings the arms "into the slot" and the club comes along for the ride.
I should add here that at the same time as I compress the right side I throw the clubhead from the top. Not outwards, but down the swing plane. This is when I will be thinking about keeping the sword edge to the ball.
Obviously at the top everything is facing the wrong way, but the thought of the sword edge during the downswing keeps the right hand under the left for longer...
I suppose it is a personal thing, depending on how you visualise...
Sorry Ringer, I should have explained.
My first action on the downswing is to compress my right side and try and raise my right heel (while my back is facing the target). That brings my right shoulder straight down towards my right hip. I don't have to pull anything. The right side compression automatically brings the arms "into the slot" and the club comes along for the ride.
I should add here that at the same time as I compress the right side I throw the clubhead from the top. Not outwards, but down the swing plane. This is when I will be thinking about keeping the sword edge to the ball.
Obviously at the top everything is facing the wrong way, but the thought of the sword edge during the downswing keeps the right hand under the left for longer...
I suppose it is a personal thing, depending on how you visualise...
Nice swing Ringer. When I practice I will hit several balls standing just like you are describing, with my back to the target. This helps me ingrain the feel I want in my swing which is similiar to your description. It helps keep me from roundhousing which is a tendency I can't seem to bury. I look forward to hearing more on what you are doing in your swing.
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