Tiger in super slow motion

[Perfect Impact]

Doesn't he hava a pretty big lateral movement on his downswing? I thought that was bad. NO??

The opposite! All powerful swings have a leftward, toward-the-target movement of the left hip several inches from end of backswing till impact. Look at children when they try to hit the ball hard: watch teenagers coming to the range after high school class; and of course, look at the most powerful swings anywhere (LD championships). There simply isn't the power anywhere else in the body than in the legs that move the hips SIDEWAYS to move the shoulders on plane to move the arms and hands on plane and to drag/pull/push/throw the clubhead.

The dog wags the tail. If the hips don't move, everything done has to be with upper body muscles. Not anywhere near as efficient. And not just by turning: the left hip MOVES LEFT.

 

[davel]

capturing video

You need a xreen capture program that captures video. Camstudio can do it as well as Snagit it 8. Windows media encoder is supposed to work but I have not had any success. You can get trial ware from the two products I mentioned and choose to buy later. They are very convenient but they will not capture protected video files. I tried snagit at I do have a copy . If someone has a server I can put it on or wants it I would need your email address to send it.

Dave

Anyone have any ideas how to download/save a copy of this file?

 

[golfbulldog]

Doesn't he hava a pretty big lateral movement on his downswing? I thought that was bad. NO??

If lateral movement of hips leads to lateral movement of upper body and head then bad. Hula Hula motion allows independence of hips and upper body = good

 

[Burner]

For all the talk of Tigers speed coming from his hips/rotation, it seems as if he has an awful lot of arm swing compared to body motion during the downswing. Does anyone else see this?

Bigwill,

You have got it in one!

The only reason he has, or needs, such fast hip action is to get them out of the way of his incredibly fast arm swing.

Sometimes he mistimes the hips and arms and gets caught with his arms behind his hips - fore right! is the common call when this happens - a lot. Conversely, if the arms outrace the hips, fore left! is what you see and hear - now and again.

Synchronised hips and arms - not often enough - has the commentators drooling about his length off the tee; which is unremarkable in relation to many others as he ranks only 12th out of the 23 players averaging 300yds+ on the PGA and Euro' PGA tours.

 

[jerry1967]

what am i doing wrong i can not get the video?

 

[davel]

video problem possibility

This video is a Macromedia flash movie

what am i doing wrong i can not get the video?If You do not have the macomedia software loaded it will not work.

dave

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

That looks like Tiger's "range swing" or his non-competition swing to me.

I've seen him hit it on the range multipe times and his driver swing is completely different than when he's playing a competition. The ONLY time i've ever seen him have that range swing on the course was at that event they have in the off season for all the major winners.

It was Tiger, Michael Campell, Phil (i think), and Vijay. Tiger had the range swing and was still putting it past everyone.

 

[birdie_man]

You know what Jim man....I saw the same thing a while ago.

There was an exhibition on TV.....he ended with hitting a few drivers...

The last one he said: "I'll really try to step on this one for you guys." (if anyone else has seen it)

He hit is over a big sign at the end of the range.

But his swing looked way better to me.

Couldn't exactly put my finger on why.....but it just looked better.

Just seemed smoother....more in balance.....much much better Rhythm. (just seemed VERY in sync)

I'm not sure why....the only thing I can think of is that he's free from the pressure and anxiety of competition....so he can swing freely and control his Rhythm better.

 

[Perfect Impact]

Rhythm IS key: and what a good observation! You may just have explained his recent erratic driving. Certainly it isn't because he "needs lessons" or doesn't know what he's doing mechanically.

It is in his head, which does translate into tempo and rhythm! O Yes. He needs a different thinking: not a different "Swing."

 

[tongzilla]

Jim, what's the difference between the range swing and playing swing?

 

[Mike O]

ditto

That looks like Tiger's "range swing" or his non-competition swing to me.

I've seen him hit it on the range multipe times and his driver swing is completely different than when he's playing a competition. The ONLY time i've ever seen him have that range swing on the course was at that event they have in the off season for all the major winners.

It was Tiger, Michael Campell, Phil (i think), and Vijay. Tiger had the range swing and was still putting it past everyone.

Saw the same thing at La Costa a couple of years ago. That range swing is a thing of beauty- and long, but so different than the flailing thing that you see on TV.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, what's the difference between the range swing and playing swing?

Same swing with:

Virtually no head bobbing and Bobby Jones type rythym.

 

[tongzilla]

Same swing with:

Virtually no head bobbing and Bobby Jones type rythym.

Here's a question for you guys.

Do you think Tiger is swinging differently deliberately, or just because he's under pressure?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Don't forget the fact that this is a studio swing with no intention of splitting a fairway or driving a green. I read somewhere else not to over analyze swing sequences published in mags.

CW

You read that here.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Not me.

Doesn't he hava a pretty big lateral movement on his downswing? I thought that was bad. NO??

Your host, the Italian Stallion, NEVER says ANYTHING that stupid.

now as far as Leo's comment....I never said NEVER.

Heck, MY TOE is in that position when I am hitting a fade.

 

[tourdeep]

Regarding Hank Haney's plane angle theory applied to this Tiger swing, it looks great, imo...

I am not the greatest at drawing lines and really haven't studied where to place those lines, but by freezing his (front/target view) top position and connecting the lowest visible portion of the shaft (minimize clubhead rotation) with address position using a see thru ruler, then restarting his swing, Tiger appears to be tracing the "rotation", the plane angle. On the downswing, again adjusting dor the shaft and impact position, Tiger appears to remain on the same angle all the way into his finish.

Haney's plane angle does not profess to be on the same plane, and it clearly is not with Tiger's swing, but the angle of rotation around the body remains a constant, more or less, as opposed to an up and down shift...

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Here's a question for you guys.

Do you think Tiger is swinging differently deliberately, or just because he's under pressure?

Honestly, i don't know. I wouldn't think it was pressure (could be) but i think it has more do with his state of mind which i guess you could relate to pressure.

 

[wanole]

Tiger's range swing is the same as his course swing except his tempo is better on the range. I don't think he goes 100% on the range.

 

[birdie_man]

Honestly, i don't know. I wouldn't think it was pressure (could be) but i think it has more do with his state of mind which i guess you could relate to pressure.

Yaya that's what I mean Jim....not neccessarily how you normally think of pressure....i.e. "gonna crack under the pressure"....I guess what I mean has a lot to do with adrenaline. (adrenaline, pressure, etc.) You just swing differently when you've got some adrenaline flowing.

.......

Carey Mumford says he's got Driver (one of the behavioural styles outlined in his work) in him too tho....so it seems it would fit.

 

[birdie_man]

Tiger's range swing is the same as his course swing except his tempo is better on the range. I don't think he goes 100% on the range.

Ya that's right....it causes things tho. He gets out of sync.