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Please re-read my post. I said the win at BH was against a better contention of players. Meaning the players in contention were better then than yesterday. You don't agree?

It also means that to win the event, you have to play better than the guys in contention. If the guys in contention are used to winning and/or are major champions, would that not be a tougher get than over taking a guy(s) who has yet to collect a single trophy?

When Rock won in the dessert, was it not more impressive because he did it while Tiger was standing next to him? Or would it have been equally impressive if Levin was standing next to him?

Come on, mgranato. At Bay Hill, Tiger started Sunday with a one-shot lead. At the Memorial, Tiger started Sunday four shots behind the lead. Memorial was a lot more impressive.
 
I guess I am classified as a hater, Tiger is not the best player ever or best in the world right now. The gold standard for best ever is most majors and that belongs to Jack so to say Tiger is the best ever is to disrespect what Jack has done. When and if Tiger beats Jack's record then you can call Tiger the best ever. As for the best in the world we have an accepted formula to calculate that and it says Luke Donald is best in the world right now, so to say Tiger is best in the World because he has won two tournaments this year is crazy. What Tiger IS RIGHT NOW is best player this WEEK!

It's funny, the haters want to discredit Tiger and the lovers want to crown him before it's his time.

So far Tiger has played in 269 official events on the PGA to win his 73 tournaments, a pathetic win % of only 27.14%. Granted he has only won 14 majors while Jack won 18. Consider that Jack played in 594 official PGA events to win his 73 titles. Tiger could lose his next 324 tournaments and still have a better win % than Jack. Tiger's top 3 placings and top ten placings are also quite a bit higher than Jack achieved.

What does it take to have it be Tiger's time?
 
Come on, mgranato. At Bay Hill, Tiger started Sunday with a one-shot lead. At the Memorial, Tiger started Sunday four shots behind the lead. Memorial was a lot more impressive.

Every play with a 1 shot lead? And then turn it into a 5 shot win?

Every play from behind?

Catching the leader usually takes great play on your behalf AND a little help from those in front of you. See 2012 Memorial.

If you can draw up a game plan and scenario for the week, would you have yourself leading by 1 or trailing by 3?

I'll say it again... both wins are impressive, both on tough tracks, and both against top fields. However, holding off the list of contenders at Bay Hill was more impressive (in my opinion) than catching the list of contenders at the Memorial.

Still waiting for an explanation on how that opinion is hating, slighting, or discrediting either win.

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So far Tiger has played in 269 official events on the PGA to win his 73 tournaments, a pathetic win % of only 27.14%. Granted he has only won 14 majors while Jack won 18. Consider that Jack played in 594 official PGA events to win his 73 titles. Tiger could lose his next 324 tournaments and still have a better win % than Jack. Tiger's top 3 placings and top ten placings are also quite a bit higher than Jack achieved.

What does it take to have it be Tiger's time?

18 Majors:)
 

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18 Majors:)

Yes, Jack has 18 majors correct u are and Tiger has 14 so only 4 to tie and 5 to beat that record I will go on record and say TW will break Jacks record, unless TW has some tragic situation that prevents him from playing golf he will break that. Make it so number 1.
 
Still waiting for an explanation on how that opinion is hating, slighting, or discrediting either win.

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..." :D:p:rolleyes:
 
Jack actually has 20 majors. Tiger has 17.

I will never accept the utterly bizarre erasure of US Amateurs as majors. They were majors when Jack won them, and were always included in his totals (it said "20" on the TV screen I watched that Sunday at Augusta in 86). They were majors when Bobby Jones won them. They are majors for Tiger as well.

To say only Professional majors count is to say that Bobby Jones was not a great golfer. He was never a pro.
 
If anyone thinks "Tiger thinks" that one shot won him the tournament he would say they were right....

And in his head think and all the others along with the years of prep/practice. He didn't block stuff out, or make it more important. That's what puts him above the rest.

He thought fat is dead, thin is dead then put all his attention on hitting the shot he wanted. Like any other shot of the week.

Sure for the press and everyone else he'll big it up, just like a great sports psychologist will give soundbites saying they got a player to think "positive"

Hope we really find out about Tigers mental game in years to come, but it might end up as a Ben Hogan secret type thing.

He certainly had high level training when he was younger from military background guys who know a thing or two about controlling emotions during tense events.

I may well be wrong, but Tigers soundbites at press conferences are not what he thinks when playing golf imho and that's his best kept secret. Anyone who has watched him realises that at his peak he had the best MENTAL game. Strangely as his life calms down, he's getting back to his best....

I think Sean Foley is helping in that aspect too. Helping him with his view on life as well as golf.

Tiger sure isn't thinking was this week a better win than the other ;)
 
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Jack actually has 20 majors. Tiger has 17.

I will never accept the utterly bizarre erasure of US Amateurs as majors. They were majors when Jack won them, and were always included in his totals (it said "20" on the TV screen I watched that Sunday at Augusta in 86). They were majors when Bobby Jones won them. They are majors for Tiger as well.

To say only Professional majors count is to say that Bobby Jones was not a great golfer. He was never a pro.

This is surely right. Through the late '80s/early '90s, Jack's "number" was always 20. MacGregor made a great set of irons based on what Jack played personally, and called them Muirfield 20th, after the '86 Masters. Not something you would stamp into the back of an expensive set of irons if it was going to be contentious.

So when did the arithmetic change? Before or after Tiger won 3 "majors" as an amateur...?
 
This is surely right. Through the late '80s/early '90s, Jack's "number" was always 20. MacGregor made a great set of irons based on what Jack played personally, and called them Muirfield 20th, after the '86 Masters. Not something you would stamp into the back of an expensive set of irons if it was going to be contentious.

So when did the arithmetic change? Before or after Tiger won 3 "majors" as an amateur...?

It's all a big conspiracy to keep Tiger down! I also say Hogan has FIVE US opens.
 
Jack actually has 20 majors. Tiger has 17.

I will never accept the utterly bizarre erasure of US Amateurs as majors. They were majors when Jack won them, and were always included in his totals (it said "20" on the TV screen I watched that Sunday at Augusta in 86). They were majors when Bobby Jones won them. They are majors for Tiger as well.

To say only Professional majors count is to say that Bobby Jones was not a great golfer. He was never a pro.
I've been thinking the same thing for years. They always did count the Amateurs for Jack. As a matter of fact, when Jack was given credit for passing Jones in 1973, his Amateurs were counted. Seems like some people in the media want to change the rules now. By the way Tiger's feat of 3 US Junior titles followed by 3 US Amateurs is the most impressive record in sports for me. Beats Dimaggio's hit streak, Gretzky's 93 goals, Chamberlains scoring records, Nelsons 1945 season.
 

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Jack actually has 20 majors. Tiger has 17.

I will never accept the utterly bizarre erasure of US Amateurs as majors. They were majors when Jack won them, and were always included in his totals (it said "20" on the TV screen I watched that Sunday at Augusta in 86). They were majors when Bobby Jones won them. They are majors for Tiger as well.

To say only Professional majors count is to say that Bobby Jones was not a great golfer. He was never a pro.

This is surely right. Through the late '80s/early '90s, Jack's "number" was always 20. MacGregor made a great set of irons based on what Jack played personally, and called them Muirfield 20th, after the '86 Masters. Not something you would stamp into the back of an expensive set of irons if it was going to be contentious.

So when did the arithmetic change? Before or after Tiger won 3 "majors" as an amateur...?

It's all a big conspiracy to keep Tiger down! I also say Hogan has FIVE US opens.

I've been thinking the same thing for years. They always did count the Amateurs for Jack. As a matter of fact, when Jack was given credit for passing Jones in 1973, his Amateurs were counted. Seems like some people in the media want to change the rules now. By the way Tiger's feat of 3 US Junior titles followed by 3 US Amateurs is the most impressive record in sports for me. Beats Dimaggio's hit streak, Gretzky's 93 goals, Chamberlains scoring records, Nelsons 1945 season.

Hogan absolutely does not have 5 US OPENS. He does have 5 USGA National Championships. Hale America was not like an Open.

Jack has 20 majors and Tiger has 17.

All this other stuff was invented in the last few years.

BS!!!
 
As long as we're counting everything, let's not forget about the Western Open... that thing used to be a major too.

Maybe the US Am quit being considered a major when the best players in the world couldn't play in it.
 
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Hogan absolutely does not have 5 US OPENS. He does have 5 USGA National Championships. Hale America was not like an Open.

"Supporters of Ben Hogan and some golf historians maintain that this tournament should count as one of Hogan's major championships, since it was run just like the U.S. Open with more than 1,500 entries, local qualifying at 69 sites and sectional qualifying at most major cities. Additionally, all of the big names in golf who were not fighting the war were in the field"

Hogan himself claimed it as a US Open
 
Still waiting for an explanation on how that opinion is hating, slighting, or discrediting either win.

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I'll take a stab at this:

Tiger is a proven deadly front runner so Bay Hill was his typical greatness. An unbiased look at his Memorial performance would appreciate he indeed has an additional gear. To not appreciate that is ........well

How did I do?:D
 
18 Majors:)

So I am guessing that if you were looking at the great hitters in baseball only the playoff and world series performances should be considered.

Clearly Nicklaus shined in the majors but why didn't he shine in all the tournaments? His win % was considerably less than half of what Tiger's is. Tiger not only has a good win % in the majors he also does it in all the other tournaments. But I am sure someone can spin that into a negative.
 

Dariusz J.

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The winningest golfer of all times was certainly Snead. If not the accident, Woods most probably would have chased Hogan's record, not Snead's though.
Moreover, as someone wisely said, comparing the number of majors of those who played before the global airplane era with these who could/can fly everywhere easily and cheaply is ridiculous.

Cheers
 
So I am guessing that if you were looking at the great hitters in baseball only the playoff and world series performances should be considered.

Clearly Nicklaus shined in the majors but why didn't he shine in all the tournaments? His win % was considerably less than half of what Tiger's is. Tiger not only has a good win % in the majors he also does it in all the other tournaments. But I am sure someone can spin that into a negative.

I didn't make majors the measuring stick, I guess if we went on strictly professional wins Gary Player would be the best, I think he has something like 160-170 world wide wins professionally....I am only 40 and as far back as I can remember majors has been the gold standard. Logically it makes sense to me because the strength of field issue is pretty much negated at majors because the best are all there and tournaments like Chevron and The Memorial are not even close to being the same.
 
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