Tiger Wood Swing Analysis - Pretty Good

[Mike Olberding]

Left wrist - clubface

The idea the left wrist is the same as the leading edge seems incorrect to me- but maybe I'm not clear as to what perspective we are talking about.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

The idea the left wrist is the same as the leading edge seems incorrect to me- but maybe I'm not clear as to what perspective we are talking about.

The left hand is what controls the clubface, no matter how your grip it...once you move that left wrist around that clubface is going to follow.

 

[Mr Inconsistent]

Gl we aren't talking about just squatting and jumping off the right leg, but about jumping off BOTH legs a la Tiger...

Totally different mate....(as you will find out when you try it)....

Tiger doesn't jump off both legs at the same time, it's not like a straight up vertical jump in that sense. The right leg pushes first then the left and that's when any air is caught just after impact, off the left leg. Check out Freddy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BomOzjHp-w

 

[puttmad]

....

Tiger doesn't jump off both legs at the same time, it's not like a straight up vertical jump in that sense. The right leg pushes first then the left and that's when any air is caught just after impact, off the left leg. Check out Freddy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BomOzjHp-w

We are discussing Tiger, yes?.. not Freddie..

Tiger is off the ground with both heels before impact when he is swinging really hard.
The initiation for that comes very early in the downswing....

The reason the right heel seems to be off the deck first is because the left leg is still in the straightening process after being bent at the top of the backswing, Which keeps the left heel down for longer, but both legs start pushing upwards at the same time.

 

[Spike]

Puttmad,

I wouldn't say that his legs are pushing as an active or conscious force but more of a responsive reaction to his tremendous downward thrust.

 

[Ringer]

Puttmad,

I wouldn't say that his legs are pushing as an active or conscious force but more of a responsive reaction to his tremendous downward thrust.

This is my belief as well.

But what we're really talking about here is a difference of oppinion on what creates speed. Some people believe it starts from the ground up with a series of centers all working in a train.

Some people believe the body simply supports the motion of the arms.

And so far as I can tell, this is just another one of those "You say it's this, I say it's that." arguments. Neither side seems to really be able to provide PROOF because it's all theory.

 

[shootin4par]

well if some people dont think the ground has much to do with it all they have to do is tie a nuse (sp?) around their chest, have their feet not touch the ground, and hit balls that way. But then the nuse would now become a base of support

 

[shootin4par]

Puttmad,

I wouldn't say that his legs are pushing as an active or conscious force but more of a responsive reaction to his tremendous downward thrust.

correct, and what would happen if his legs did not push back? all energy would collapse. So energy wil continuing going untill it is absorbed somewhere, preferably at follow through and nowhere before. So in order to stop the downward energy, the squat, you must exert more force back UP then what was going down, and that is the reason for the jump/lift. Some people see the golf swing like a pendulum, but it is more like a swing on a swing set. You push it a little forward, forward press. Then with the momentum you have started you assist that and push it back, backswing, then you take that momentum and add push to that, forward swing. That is why a person with pendulum hips back and through has a better chance of hitting the ball farther

 

[Mr Inconsistent]

We are discussing Tiger, yes?.. not Freddie..

Tiger is off the ground with both heels before impact when he is swinging really hard.
The initiation for that comes very early in the downswing....

The reason the right heel seems to be off the deck first is because the left leg is still in the straightening process after being bent at the top of the backswing, Which keeps the left heel down for longer, but both legs start pushing upwards at the same time.

Think whatever you want to think there puttmad, I was just trying to help you out. I've done this move for years and my average drive is about 320 so this issue really means nothing to me.

 

[Ringer]

well if some people dont think the ground has much to do with it all they have to do is tie a nuse (sp?) around their chest, have their feet not touch the ground, and hit balls that way. But then the nuse would now become a base of support

That's not the theory at all. It's SUPPORT to the motion.. not the motion itself. It HELPS, but isn't THE motion.

if you were suspended in the air, you could still swing the club. It wouldn't be very fast or effective, but you could do it. Now with your feet on the ground, you can support the motion much better.

 

[Burner]

Puttmad,

I wouldn't say that his legs are pushing as an active or conscious force but more of a responsive reaction to his tremendous downward thrust.

You win the Coconut Spike.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." - Newton's Third Law.

 

[shortgamer]

What does most of the work according to this research?
http://www.jssm.org/vol4/n4/18/v4n4-18pdf.pdf

 

[puttmad]

...

Puttmad,

I wouldn't say that his legs are pushing as an active or conscious force but more of a responsive reaction to his tremendous downward thrust.

I don't remember saying Tiger was doing it conciously....

And how can you say that it is not an active force? If his legs are pushing it is an active force, concious or not.

 

[shootin4par]

That's not the theory at all. It's SUPPORT to the motion.. not the motion itself. It HELPS, but isn't THE motion.

if you were suspended in the air, you could still swing the club. It wouldn't be very fast or effective, but you could do it. Now with your feet on the ground, you can support the motion much better.

but if the body was limp then the ground would not be a support, so the body is doing something active to allow the ground to assist the swing. The first place the ground contacts is the feet. So you can say the feet actively supports the swing. The feet are in motion but not as much as the arms. In the golf swing the feet move the least and the hands move the most. learn how to hit balls sitting on a stool, you might be able to hit it far but not as far as if you were standing

 

[puttmad]

...

Think whatever you want to think there puttmad, I was just trying to help you out. I've done this move for years and my average drive is about 320 so this issue really means nothing to me.

It means nothing to me either. I stopped doing it some time ago when i realized it was unneccessary.
You can hit the ball further without it...

 

[puttmad]

Just a final thought.

What is it that the pros do with their legs then that requires the use of metal spikes?
I mean, we mere mortals all wear soft spikes now don't we?...

Yet, out of choice, a pro will always go for big basic spikes.

Surely they do this because they are generating massive downward forces during the swing and downward forces are only generated by pushing upwards with the legs, HARD...

 

[Ringer]

Just a final thought.

What is it that the pros do with their legs then that requires the use of metal spikes?
I mean, we mere mortals all wear soft spikes now don't we?...

Yet, out of choice, a pro will always go for big basic spikes.

Surely they do this because they are generating massive downward forces during the swing and downward forces are only generated by pushing upwards with the legs, HARD...

That or they just THINK it has a positive effect on their swing. Anything to build confidence.

 

[Ringer]

but if the body was limp then the ground would not be a support, so the body is doing something active to allow the ground to assist the swing. The first place the ground contacts is the feet. So you can say the feet actively supports the swing. The feet are in motion but not as much as the arms. In the golf swing the feet move the least and the hands move the most. learn how to hit balls sitting on a stool, you might be able to hit it far but not as far as if you were standing

That just proves my point.

The arms SWING.. the body supports the motion.. makes it BETTER. Without the pivot, the swing can still exist, but it's not as effective.

 

[puttmad]

...

That or they just THINK it has a positive effect on their swing. Anything to build confidence.

Ringer,
I'm sure those guys, with all the scientific testing they get on their swings, use them for a much better reason than confidence....

Or perhaps it is the confidence that comes from spiking up the greens as a favour to the players coming up behind you....

 

[Spike]

I don't remember saying Tiger was doing it conciously....

And how can you say that it is not an active force? If his legs are pushing it is an active force, concious or not.

Hiya Puttmad,

Didn't mean to imply that you said something you didn't.....sorry 'bout that.

As I see it, the body is a support mechanism that the forces during a golf swing push against, which in turn push against the earth. I see the knees more as shock absorbers to accommodate the downward blow to the ball. By squating I feel he is just lowering his center of gravity preparing the body for all that force. This position also makes the angles in the legs and back more accute, giving them more stability. Something stronger to push against.

If he were to push with his legs I don't think he would reach low point very often (j/k). So, it seems to me that when he is applying force to the shaft in the downswing that force is really being pushed against the structure of his body and the earth. The look of push up in the legs is only a reaction to the full extention deep into low point.

As an experiment, take a basketball in both hands and throw it straight down as hard as you can, with full extension of your hands and arms. Chances are you will come up on your toes. What caused that to happen? An even more amazing reaction is to see how far you can uncock your wrists (no club) in front of you. The farther you go the more your heels will lift off the ground. Weird but true.

Not very scientific..........I need a bigger vocabulary