Tiger's done for the year

[MrMichael]

Comparing different eras in sports is kind of like beating a dead horse.

You can't fault Jack, Tiger, Hogan, Jones for the competition, courses, and equipment that they have for their eras. As Nicklaus often says the reason he was drawn to golf was the only person you have any control over is yourself. Do the best you can and you might be the best that day. Just be glad that you have seen one of the best play in Jack and are seeing another one in Tiger.

 

[self-mastery]

Surely the best golfer is the one that gets it in the hole is the least shots?....
It doesn't matter whether the ball has been in the fairway or not....

I agree that the score is all that matters. I just can't stand watching these guys hit it so far left and right, and still make par or better. I hate that rough isn't really rough, out of bounds isn't out of bounds, and a sandtrap has become a hospitable abode.

Best golfer of all time? We'll have to wait, and see.

 

[needham]

what makes you so sure that tiger juices?

dude, you just do not get that big and cut without a needle,,,,, so yes I think he juices........I do, this does not mean anyone else has or needs to think that. not to mention as soon as testing comes up...he starts getting hurt..........my thoughts on tiger are my thoughts, based on the above and looking at pics from early in his career.........

now anika on the other hand......everyone has to know she has juiced.......acne is always a issue, and she BLEW UP and the fact that when testing came around, she started to get hurt and now she is retiring, to avoid in my mind the round of testing ...........

juice is VERY widespread so WHY NOT golf?
cutting agents and mild bulking agents, and especially HGH would allow people to NEVER be sore, workout longer, and hit balls for 10+ hours per day and never feel the effect.........

 

[thefuture37]

dude, you just do not get that big and cut without a needle,,,,, so yes I think he juices........I do, this does not mean anyone else has or needs to think that. not to mention as soon as testing comes up...he starts getting hurt..........my thoughts on tiger are my thoughts, based on the above and looking at pics from early in his career.........

You think Tiger is "big and cut"? Maybe compared to pga tour players but not to most other athletes. By your measure every player in the nfl short of kickers/punters are on steriods(but you probably think that anyways). Tiger is what, 6'1 180lbs? Thats not that big. He also has said he is in favor of testing. And his success on tour hasn't been dependent on his gaining muscle over the last 10 years. He had more of a length advantage when he was a skinny 155lb kid.

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juice is VERY widespread so WHY NOT golf?
cutting agents and mild bulking agents, and especially HGH would allow people to NEVER be sore, workout longer, and hit balls for 10+ hours per day and never feel the effect.........

if you have a tour quality swing you can hit balls for hours and not be sore. Tired maybe, bored for sure, but feeling it the next day...no. If you think Tiger is on something than what do you think of Zuback?

 

[FloydPT38]

dude, you just do not get that big and cut without a needle,,,,, so yes I think he juices........I do, this does not mean anyone else has or needs to think that. not to mention as soon as testing comes up...he starts getting hurt..........my thoughts on tiger are my thoughts, based on the above and looking at pics from early in his career.........

now anika on the other hand......everyone has to know she has juiced.......acne is always a issue, and she BLEW UP and the fact that when testing came around, she started to get hurt and now she is retiring, to avoid in my mind the round of testing ...........

juice is VERY widespread so WHY NOT golf?
cutting agents and mild bulking agents, and especially HGH would allow people to NEVER be sore, workout longer, and hit balls for 10+ hours per day and never feel the effect.........

Don't believe he juices - look at pictures from every year since he was a teenager. He has progressed like someone who works his butt off. The stats I've seen say he's 6 '1 180-185 which is exactly what he looks like. He does not look like he has been on roids.

 

[msrpo]

I can't imagine that Tiger is on 'roids, partly because of everything I've heard about his old man, partly because of his reported work ethic, and mainly because even if he was on a three week cycle he'd have to cycle off and we'd see him swallowing all sorts of pills and supps to maintain the cycle.

The guy's just crazy intense -- which is also why he wins so much.

 

[self-mastery]

Tiger doesn't seem like the type to abuse 'roids'. I hope he gives up running, and uses a lower impact form of exercise. My PT buddy believes that distance running is an awful form of exercise because of the stress it puts on the body. Swimming and cycling are better. Compare the physiques of the two-- I would rather be a sprinter than a distance runner...

ATM: I am beat from doing interval training on hills. Cycling is more rewarding than golf!

 

[needham]

You think Tiger is "big and cut"? Maybe compared to pga tour players but not to most other athletes. By your measure every player in the nfl short of kickers/punters are on steriods(but you probably think that anyways). Tiger is what, 6'1 180lbs? Thats not that big. He also has said he is in favor of testing. And his success on tour hasn't been dependent on his gaining muscle over the last 10 years. He had more of a length advantage when he was a skinny 155lb kid.



if you have a tour quality swing you can hit balls for hours and not be sore. Tired maybe, bored for sure, but feeling it the next day...no. If you think Tiger is on something than what do you think of Zuback?

true in some aspects.....HGH is still juice...and does not bulk you.



and how many NFL players do you REALLY think are not on something........juice, HGH, pot(for pain) and just general drug use.........dont kid yourself....you dont have to be "big and cut" to prove you juice ( clemans/ petitte)...though Tiger in the right shirt looks more like a NFL safety than a golfer ....testing on the PGA will be interesting, many guys will turn up hurt much more often. Too much at stake for players NOT to JUICE right now..........4 days = 1 million or more $$$$....

tour quality swing has nothing to do with being sore....golf in NOT a natural act.......soreness is part of the game if played long enough.

you have good points, so please do not think I am here to argue and fight.....I enjoy the debate. I only am saying Needles are MUCH more widespread than most people think.

 

[tongzilla]

dude, you just do not get that big and cut without a needle,,,,, so yes I think he juices........

You have not seen real big and cut. Tiger is not that big and cut. I have seen and personally know of bigger and stronger guys who are just as lean who are definitely not drug assisted. It is very possible for a semi-dedicated person with average genetics to get as big and cut as Tiger.

I do, this does not mean anyone else has or needs to think that. not to mention as soon as testing comes up...he starts getting hurt..........my thoughts on tiger are my thoughts, based on the above and looking at pics from early in his career.........

Tiger is a “late bloomber”, just like his father. A lot of guys get find it much easier to put on lean muscle mass in their mid to late twenties. I can name numerous athletes who got bulkier as they aged.

now anika on the other hand......everyone has to know she has juiced.......acne is always a issue, and she BLEW UP and the fact that when testing came around, she started to get hurt and now she is retiring, to avoid in my mind the round of testing ...........

I don’t know much about anika (I have heard of Annika however), but there are female adults who get acne without being drug assisted. Definitely not that unusual.

juice is VERY widespread so WHY NOT golf?

Have you heard of “steroid rage”? First golf is not a strength sport. It’s about technique, strategy and mental attitude. Secondly, although driving distance is dependent to a certain extent on strength, it has more to do with explosive strength (i.e. power) – and the muscle fiber responsible for this type of strength is large genetically determined.

 

[dashfan87]

He doesnt juice you silly gooses... shesh some people will argue the color of the sky.
Likes its been stated, hes 6'1'' 185. thats what my friend who is a personal trainer is... no roids!!!!!! wow!!!! another buddy of mine is 5'7'' 190, pure muscle... no roids!!!! they have work ethic, and they work out religiously. which is what tiger does.
annika on roids..... now that, is a joke. Im not even going to argue

 

[thefuture37]

true in some aspects.....HGH is still juice...and does not bulk you.



and how many NFL players do you REALLY think are not on something........juice, HGH, pot(for pain) and just general drug use.........dont kid yourself....you dont have to be "big and cut" to prove you juice ( clemans/ petitte)...though Tiger in the right shirt looks more like a NFL safety than a golfer ....testing on the PGA will be interesting, many guys will turn up hurt much more often. Too much at stake for players NOT to JUICE right now..........4 days = 1 million or more $$$$....

tour quality swing has nothing to do with being sore....golf in NOT a natural act.......soreness is part of the game if played long enough.

you have good points, so please do not think I am here to argue and fight.....I enjoy the debate. I only am saying Needles are MUCH more widespread than most people think.

pot for pain...lol they are on pot for fun not pain.

you are wrong about a good swing and soreness. golf swing isn't a natural act but it also doesn't require enough muscle use to cause anything that needs to be recovered from the next day.

 

[self-mastery]

He will be more tempted to abuse some sort of illegal stimulant once someone else takes a choke hold on golf, and supplants him as the king of the hill. Once he is unable to achieve his past level of success, watch out! This all depends on someone manning TFU. Abdication is seldom a peaceful act.

 

[bendet3]

He will be more tempted to abuse some sort of illegal stimulant once someone else takes a choke hold on golf, and supplants him as the king of the hill. Once he is unable to achieve his past level of success, watch out! This all depends on someone manning TFU. Abdication is seldom a peaceful act.

Speaking of using pot........ (just kidding Self)

 

[eric54]

He will be more tempted to abuse some sort of illegal stimulant once someone else takes a choke hold on golf, and supplants him as the king of the hill. Once he is unable to achieve his past level of success, watch out! This all depends on someone manning TFU. Abdication is seldom a peaceful act.

TFU???

 

[nwb]

I am NOT saying Tiger takes anything - i personally think beating jack's record means too much to him to cheat. I am an inch shorter than Tiger and same weight - i work out three times a week and am in pretty good shape - Tigers size is more than achievable especially if you take creatine which helps bulk the muscles by retaining water.

However those on here who think that drugs won't help in golf are so far off the mark its untrue. If for example, without drugs you can hit balls for 3 hours and workout for 1 a day and then with drugs you have the energy to hit balls for longer and still work out - well drugs help. If you are carrying injuries drugs help. If you need to get stronger (and modern golf dictates that strength in certain areas helps the golf swing) then drugs will help. You do not necessarily take drugs to get big these days - look at the cyclists. Drug use is rife in every sport so i am glad they have brought testing into golf.

 

[moorejr12]

I still find it amazing that he can play as he does still receiving death threats. He has received them since he was a junior player and continues to receive them currently.

 

[dashfan87]

I am NOT saying Tiger takes anything - i personally think beating jack's record means too much to him to cheat. I am an inch shorter than Tiger and same weight - i work out three times a week and am in pretty good shape - Tigers size is more than achievable especially if you take creatine which helps bulk the muscles by retaining water.

However those on here who think that drugs won't help in golf are so far off the mark its untrue. If for example, without drugs you can hit balls for 3 hours and workout for 1 a day and then with drugs you have the energy to hit balls for longer and still work out - well drugs help. If you are carrying injuries drugs help. If you need to get stronger (and modern golf dictates that strength in certain areas helps the golf swing) then drugs will help. You do not necessarily take drugs to get big these days - look at the cyclists. Drug use is rife in every sport so i am glad they have brought testing into golf.

I agree that they should without a doubt, drug test in golf. The sporting community is clearly under attack these days with many within its community abusing various substances. But the debate here is if tiger is doing this, and personally I simply think that Tiger would never allow himself to cheat. His work ethic, and his ethics in general, prove this fact. Does that mean hes not? No. Heck, the pope could be doping.... But everything about Tiger points to one conclusion, he is strong willed, strong in work ethics, and strong in mind, and you don't need drugs for that.

 

[jeffgladchun]

You guys are crazy if you think Tiger even considers using performance enhancing drugs besides sweat.

 

[needham]

pot for pain...lol they are on pot for fun not pain.

you are wrong about a good swing and soreness. golf swing isn't a natural act but it also doesn't require enough muscle use to cause anything that needs to be recovered from the next day.

first of all pot is THE BEST PAIN KILLER out there...........and as far as needles go I really have NO issue with it if used PROPERLY.....if a guy wants to use it GO FOR IT.......... but I would not EVER be surprised if Tiger used HGH......I mean he benches 400+ with no real freakish bulk on him. Yeah everyone can look at guys like Ronnie Johnson and say JUICED........not so much saying POSITIVE he does just saying would never be shocked if Tiger did use weak anabolics or HGH.............

and I still have to say NA on the good golf swing and soreness deal......I used to have a GREAT swing and strike the ball as well as ANYONE and I hit 500+ balls a day and I could feel it afterwards.

 

[self-mastery]

TFU???

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