Tiger's Head Movement
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golfbulldog
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Thanks for backing my question, Tongzilla... It intrigues me too!
Jim Kobylinski
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IMO there has to be SOMEWHAT a "small bob" if you are going to use the ground in your swing.
Brian Manzella
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Two Dots.
"Brian, do you think Tiger's head is too far up at address?"
"Well, his head bobs a lot on the downswing and many think this is his problem."
"But, you said his head won't bob if he started it lower—like Nicklaus."
"What??? Isn't it supposed to be at the top of the tripod—totally stationary."
"So, what about Tiger's head? What would you do about it"
"But then his head would bob."
"Brian, do you think Tiger's head is too far up at address?"
Too far up for what?
"Well, his head bobs a lot on the downswing and many think this is his problem."
His "problem" is that besides swinging too far inside-out, he does 5 other things that make the ball go to the right, and he is trying to hit a draw.
"But, you said his head won't bob if he started it lower—like Nicklaus."
First of all, to me, a head "bob" is only what the head does from the perpendicular to the target perspective.
For example, with a "down the line" view, the golfer puts his head on a different angle then it was at address, fairly early in the downswing.
But, as the axis tilt occurs, IT SHOULD GO DOWN AND BACK A BIT.
For example, with a "down the line" view, the golfer puts his head on a different angle then it was at address, fairly early in the downswing.
But, as the axis tilt occurs, IT SHOULD GO DOWN AND BACK A BIT.
"What??? Isn't it supposed to be at the top of the tripod—totally stationary."
According to a THEORY or two. But common sense and a little time looking at the great players swings, show that a point between the shoulders is the true hub of the swing.
I don't really teach head position except at address, I teach torso position during the swing.
I don't really teach head position except at address, I teach torso position during the swing.
"So, what about Tiger's head? What would you do about it"
I'd have his eyes more at the ball at address, and then I see if that made it better or worse. (Now by better I mean the BALL FLIGHT!!!!)
If it was better, we'd keep it, if it was worse, I'd go back.
If it was better, we'd keep it, if it was worse, I'd go back.
"But then his head would bob."
At the end of the day, he does a great job of keeping his hub steady.
cmartingolf
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I wish I could get some of my students to "bob" and not hit a chunk flip. It takes a lot of good golf math to Bob.....
Lee Buck was a bobber and hit it pretty darn well.
Try this: Take your normal mid-body address positon then bring your arms and club to parallel to the ground and up against a wall(pretend you are addressing a ball as if it were waist high). Bend your right wrist back. Notice the distance the clubhead is away from the wall?? Turn your right shoulder toward the wall. Is the clubhead anywhere close to it yet? Hmmm.....
Voila, you just might become and excellent "bobbing" ball striker.
Lee Buck was a bobber and hit it pretty darn well.
Try this: Take your normal mid-body address positon then bring your arms and club to parallel to the ground and up against a wall(pretend you are addressing a ball as if it were waist high). Bend your right wrist back. Notice the distance the clubhead is away from the wall?? Turn your right shoulder toward the wall. Is the clubhead anywhere close to it yet? Hmmm.....
Voila, you just might become and excellent "bobbing" ball striker.
birdie_man
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Yup you can figure out with a compass pretty easily that if you tilt your axis and your head moves back it has to move down too.
BTW.....what about Jim's comment about using the ground?
Makes sense to me. Added knee flex? (the "down" part of "going down to jump up and get a rebound")
BTW.....what about Jim's comment about using the ground?
Makes sense to me. Added knee flex? (the "down" part of "going down to jump up and get a rebound")
tongzilla
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birdie_man
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I think it does have to do with his sit-move in the transition/downswing (i.e. knee bend)........and also axis tilt....and also weight shift to the forward leg....."knee sag"..........trying to keep head down?
Those are all I can think of.
Those are all I can think of.
b/c he straightens up at the top from address and b/c he adds enough axis tilt while keeping his right elbow close to his hip that if his head didn't go down even further than at address he wouldn't be able to reach the ball?
"Brian, do you think Tiger's head is too far up at address?"
Too far up for what?
"Well, his head bobs a lot on the downswing and many think this is his problem."
His "problem" is that besides swinging too far inside-out, he does 5 other things that make the ball go to the right, and he is trying to hit a draw.
"But, you said his head won't bob if he started it lower—like Nicklaus."
First of all, to me, a head "bob" is only what the head does from the perpendicular to the target perspective.
For example, with a "down the line" view, the golfer puts his head on a different angle then it was at address, fairly early in the downswing.
But, as the axis tilt occurs, IT SHOULD GO DOWN AND BACK A BIT.
"What??? Isn't it supposed to be at the top of the tripod—totally stationary."
According to a THEORY or two. But common sense and a little time looking at the great players swings, show that a point between the shoulders is the true hub of the swing.
I don't really teach head position except at address, I teach torso position during the swing.
"So, what about Tiger's head? What would you do about it"
I'd have his eyes more at the ball at address, and then I see if that made it better or worse. (Now by better I mean the BALL FLIGHT!!!!)
If it was better, we'd keep it, if it was worse, I'd go back.
"But then his head would bob."
At the end of the day, he does a great job of keeping his hub steady.
If only he would swing this way during tournaments. Or at least on Sunday.
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