Tom Watson's comments?

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I got this from the FGI website but since we have a resident tour coach here I thought it might throw up some interesting posts.

On the state of the game today . He was asked to rate what is helping golfers of today (most likey refering to Tour Pros in my opinion) by percentage. Clubs, Balls, Conditioning, Instruction from teachers,and Shafts. Here is what he said

50% Balls

40% Clubs

8% shafts

2% Conditioning

0% Instruction from teachers


I take this to mean that in RELATIVE terms beteen today and yesterday that instruction has not improved. Not that teaching counts for nought. Brian and others. What are your thoughts on his comments ?
 

Brian Manzella

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Looks like Mr. Warson VALIDATES [do you here this BONK and TCK and FGI] what I always say about MOST PGA Tour coaches/teachers.

NOW...WHY DON'T ALL OF YOU RIP WATSON AND GIVE HIM SOME ADVICE ON HOW HE CAN ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!

..another victory for the SHELL ANSWER MAN!!!!
 
watson's comments don't detract from today's teachers......they indict teachers throughout the last 100 years......

golf instruction as a whole, sux

there are very few good golf instructors on this planet....mostly because of MISCONCEPTIONS, not lack of effort....
 
I know Tom Watson was initially taught by his father. I'm not sure if he was taught by anybody else prior to attending Stanford University.

I agree with Watson assessment on the state of the game today.
 
I don't know the context of Watson's comments. Regarding instruction, if he is referring to pro's then I can believe that. Look back 40 years ago who taught the pro's. They had one or two pro's in their career and they worked with each other. Today the pro's seem to change coaches and instructors almost as regularly as they do putters. They are always looking a putters every week.

In today's world I think instructors get a bad rap. The reason the student doesn't suceed is always the instructor or the equipment. Taking personal responsiblity is something most people today who grew in the last 20 years or so has not learned. You see it everyday in our society, make the person feel good, lower the bar so no one is left behind, find someone to sue when you trip and fall cause you weren't paying attention while walking, etc.

Level of knowledge of instructors is probably no better or worse from years of past. After all most teaching pro's do it as a side job to get extra money, running the golf course, catering to the customers, etc. is where a lot of effort is required. Based on the PGA's teaching courses, I wouldn't expect that a pro would learn the golf swing per-se in detail, the course seems to rely on a mentor situation which means the pro is a product of the pro and if they don't have the depth and experience, well it isn't just going to happen. Let face it the majority of golfers want instant results that they don't have to put out much effort for, that is why the gimmics and golf tips sell so well. If the students were more demanding, I think the instruction level would increase of just a few instructors would be working off their butts to keep pace with the work load. Those who are serious, will seek and find eventually an instructor that can fill the demand and those students will work just as hard as well.

After all the majority golfers are just golfers, not a career just out their to hit the white ball around and enjoy the game and people. The arguement every golfer wants to shoot low scores doesn't hold water cause they clearly have demonstrated that they are not committed to the effort required. This isn't a negative but an observation. So for these an adjustment here or there and they have a little improvement or feel better is what it is all about for that category of golfers.


On Fitness, I agree. Those of yesterday, even with drinking and party came from a Blue Collar background for the most part. Today most young guns haven't even mowed their parents lawn or taken out the garbage. They grew up in the gym. Now the older folks, Watson and company have learned that they can extend their career, beat the againg process some, shown by distance, etc. But they still haven't found the exercise to over come the mental againg process. JMO.
 

Brian Manzella

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Martee...I could not disagree more about the instructors.

As as a group, it is a pretty poor product.

I AM trying to educate othe rpros, and I have with MUCH SUCCESS!

The point is Mr. Tom Watson ripped ALL the gurus and where is rory and bonk and all my rippers, where are you guys, come on, tell Watson how to live HIS life.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

Martee...I could not disagree more about the instructors.

As as a group, it is a pretty poor product.

I AM trying to educate othe rpros, and I have with MUCH SUCCESS!

The point is Mr. Tom Watson ripped ALL the gurus and where is rory and bonk and all my rippers, where are you guys, come on, tell Watson how to live HIS life.

Brian, I didn't say it was a good product...Just that it wasn't any better or worse than of years past.

I was trying to say there was room for improvment...

I was trying to say if the instructors got better, probably need the student to demand it (MO) then those instructors would be working their butts off to keep pace with the students they would have.

There is a saying, an instructor is only as good as his student.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

There is also a saying...

No such thing as a bad student, only a bad teacher!

Well between your saying and mine, it then only stands to reason it has to be the equipment[}:)]
 

hue

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How did Byron Nelson work out his swing? I know he and Hogan knew each other as kids . Did they have the same teacher to start with ?
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

No Martee, I'm right! ;)

That's funny.....:) Unfortunately it is not, or correcting the golf instruction problem would be simple. Remember I never said instruction was good, I do believe there is room for improvement, but students can be a problem as well. That I have seen first hand and more than once.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

No martee, THE PGA controls golf teaching to the masses and is scared of upgrading teaching....really.

Geeze I don't think the PGA really has control. For proof of this I submit, how about the golf teacher named Brian Manzella?:) Bet we could name a lot more. Hey, Brian, I think I got you on that one....;):D[}:)][:p]....

Somehow I don'e think the PGA controls Leadbetter and others, they always seem to me to think they were bigger than the PGA but that could be just a faulty preception upon my part.

Too much inbreeding in the PGA for golf instruction to change from within...Need some out of the box thinkers...Maybe that is why some of those off brand (non PGA) instructor certification courses seem to be growing...
 

Brian Manzella

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You are very right about a lot of that Martee.

But...The PGA could really do something to upgrade their membership's knowledge and that would help a lot.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

You are very right about a lot of that Martee.

But...The PGA could really do something to upgrade their membership's knowledge and that would help a lot.

I think that would require a major change in the golf business (not PGA) cause running a golf course, instruction seems to be real low, heck almost non-existent at some the priority ladder.

Think the way to break through is to attack the golf schools that specialize in just golf instruction.

Heck, I read somewhere that believe it or not Leadbetter requires his instructors to read TGM. That was a surpise to me.

Until then I think it will be one instructor here and another one over there doing their best while the rest attend to the primary business, running the golf course. Not a business model that successful corporation follow.
 

Brian Manzella

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as MIKESTLOC likes to say....

..."don't chyou warry"....


.......the stallion is coming...........................................................................................................................................
 

hue

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Did Watson have teachers other than Byron Nelson later in his career? It would be interesting to know how he arrived at his conclusions with regard to today's and yesterday's teachers.
 
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