Too big of a shoulder turn leads to hooks why?

[jenhaoyen]

I'm hitting balls pretty well lately thanks to BM academy. My question is, sometimes I want to hit a little bit further to carry bunkers so I turn my shoulder a lot more, but it often leads to hooks.

Should I just make my downswing faster instead of turning more?

 

[curtisj76]

Puts you in a position that is easier to swing from the inside?

 

[footwedge]

I'm hitting balls pretty well lately thanks to BM academy. My question is, sometimes I want to hit a little bit further to carry bunkers so I turn my shoulder a lot more, but it often leads to hooks.

Should I just make my downswing faster instead of turning more?

It alters your d-plane.

 

[dbl]

Please define "turn your shoulder" more. This could be in backswing, could be near impact as part of "the release", could be as part of a change out of level shoulders and the 'turn' is to a more vertical shoulder plane, OR it's something else altogether.

 

[jenhaoyen]

Please define "turn your shoulder" more. This could be in backswing, could be near impact as part of "the release", could be as part of a change out of level shoulders and the 'turn' is to a more vertical shoulder plane, OR it's something else altogether.

i probably turn somewhere between 90-100 degree on my backswing, but if i turn more it would be like 115 or so.

 

[DCgolf]

Simply creates a more inside path. In fact that's one of the secrets to drawing the ball. Also when most people turn shoulders more they also turn hips more and make path even more inside

 

[jenhaoyen]

so what do i have to do, swing more left if i turn more?

 

[johnnymarlboro]

Power fade? Open the face a little maybe.

 

[wulsy]

so what do i have to do, swing more left if i turn more?

Nobody that hits it any good swings left. It's a myth.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Nobody that hits it any good swings left. It's a myth.

Oh boy. Ok, ok, I'll bite. Why is it a myth that good ballstrikers swing left?

 

[Dariusz J.]

Nobody that hits it any good swings left. It's a myth.

Why ??? All the best ballstrikers swung in-to-in, means left after impact. It concerns all great pivot-guided swings, push & slap-hinge release types. Usually, crossover release in-to-out pivot stallers and goat humpers swing down the target line, but such are, usually, no good ballstrikers.

Cheers

 

[bgoodyear]

Simply creates a more inside path. In fact that's one of the secrets to drawing the ball. Also when most people turn shoulders more they also turn hips more and make path even more inside

Yep this is exactly what I do when trying to draw.

 

[wulsy]

Why ??? All the best ballstrikers swung in-to-in, means left after impact. It concerns all great pivot-guided swings, push & slap-hinge release types. Usually, crossover release in-to-out pivot stallers and goat humpers swing down the target line, but such are, usually, no good ballstrikers.

Cheers

Dariusz: Is it possible to swing out to out? If not, why is it then possible to swing in to in?

 

[Dariusz J.]

Dariusz: Is it possible to swing out to out? If not, why is it then possible to swing in to in?

Because the center of rotation of the whole system is inside the ball. In fact, it determines that every swing is in-to-in, but depends if the path is more regular or irregular oval.

Cheers

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

More shoulder turn generally = club getting more in and thus without monitoring your path well enough you will swing more out then you are used too. To avoid the hooks with the bigger turn just remember to allow the club to go down a bit more before it goes out.

 

[mgranato]

Why ??? All the best ballstrikers swung in-to-in, means left after impact. It concerns all great pivot-guided swings, push & slap-hinge release types. Usually, crossover release in-to-out pivot stallers and goat humpers swing down the target line, but such are, usually, no good ballstrikers.

Cheers

Maybe it's just me, but I never liked the label "in-to-in". 1, because it describes every swing. 2, it fails to mention the "out" part of every swing that certain sects hate to acknowledge exists. In-to-out-to-out-to-in seems more accurate.

D, no reflection on you, just one of those pop-terms that never made sense to me. But neither did "put-the-fork-down".

 

[wulsy]

Because the center of rotation of the whole system is inside the ball. In fact, it determines that every swing is in-to-in, but depends if the path is more regular or irregular oval.

Cheers

Hey D, I can swing from in to out and from out to in! Freeky, eh?

When I accidentally swing from in to out I can hit it 300yds and fairly straight. From out to in I'm a hacker. And when I swing "left" I'm just a complete joke.

mgranato: Are you really the Stig?

 

[BIGBALL]

Maybe it's just me, but I never liked the label "in-to-in". 1, because it describes every swing. 2, it fails to mention the "out" part of every swing that certain sects hate to acknowledge exists. In-to-out-to-out-to-in seems more accurate.

D, no reflection on you, just one of those pop-terms that never made sense to me. But neither did "put-the-fork-down".

Ha ha - I just spit out my Powerade! ( Zero, that is! )

 

[Dariusz J.]

Maybe it's just me, but I never liked the label "in-to-in". 1, because it describes every swing. 2, it fails to mention the "out" part of every swing that certain sects hate to acknowledge exists. In-to-out-to-out-to-in seems more accurate.

D, no reflection on you, just one of those pop-terms that never made sense to me. But neither did "put-the-fork-down".

Yes, this is why I posted a sentence more in my previous post. However, if we limit the arc to the very impact zone, it is easier to observe only 3 options: a. in-to-in (in-to-out-to-in); b. out-to-in and c. in-to-out. There are a lot of silly connotations in golf and I do not think "in-to-in" is the most stupid, the more everyone knows what's about.

Cheers

 

[DCgolf]

Oh boy. Ok, ok, I'll bite. Why is it a myth that good ballstrikers swing left?

Yea really not sure I get that?