Tour Pro's Swing speed

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Austin's swing does not match the models put forth in SP descriptions. His pivot and use of the shoulders on plane is perfection and it simply does not have to BE SP for that. Because the shoulders do not move perpendicular to the spine: they move WITH the spine -- on a plane not far from the angle of the spine itself, delivering the arms and hands as efficiently as is possible. Brian is right that the SP models are not the best way. And yes, about the kinesiological details: when asked about why he thought his swing description was the best possible, he bellowed "YOU CAN'T IMPROVE ON GOD!"

This did not come from an ego, but from such a comprehensive understanding of the human body AND of the physics/engineering efficiencies of levers, etc. that he simply KNEW, as you and I know that 2+2=4, that his "method" was the optimum. It didn't need proof: it was self evident to him.

I say "method" because what he did was explain and demonstrate the relationships of bones, muscles, joints, club, and geometry of swing/impact that DO align for the "most bang for the buck" for "people built golfers." His explanations put into practice by everyone will look different but will be based on each golfer's anatomy. Nothing he asked of a golfer exceeded or tested his natural range or motion or strengths: he simplified anatomical properties and lined them up logically for best results swinging golf clubs into golf balls.

The Austin swing is not taught with TGM terminology or logic.

I don't remember anything being radically different in his swing when Brian broke it down and since you learned from him may I ask if you drive the ball 300 yards? If not then maybe he was just gifted. You MA guys talk of all his power and how perfect he was so tell us, whats so different? Do all the MA students start killing the ball? My quess is probably not and maybe just maybe it was the man himself. This is not a stab at you George, I'm just intriged as to why his method has so much power and whats so different about it?
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Do all the MA students start killing the ball? My quess is probably not and maybe just maybe it was the man himself. This is not a stab at you George, I'm just intriged as to why his method has so much power and whats so different about it?

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Ah, got it Jim.....the rules..

OK if we knock someone else's swing tho. Is that OK?.....:rolleyes:
 
I dont know mike, never met mike, dont have anything to do with mike. I am just looking for answers into biomechanics, which to ME, make the most obvious sense about the mysteries to the swing. The body swings the club and I am trying to learn a way to tap into why my body is hindering me swinging a club at tour speed. I can swing a speed stik at 140 and one day when I was feeling good I maxed it out four times in a row. I have personally tapped into my power and it comes and goes. some days flying the ball an honest 280+ is very easy, and my whole swing feels completely different, other days to get it out past 270 does not happen. I never get to the in between where I hit it in the 270-280 range total, I am either pushing right at the 300 range or the 265 range, my ball flight either penetrates, or it dont. Just looking at/for the possibilites.

as far as mikes swing looking completely different, I would not expect it to, but we all know changing somethig as simple as the grip will change everything but not make it look much different. Also, the outside of the body can look almost the same but the inside is working much different. In yoga I can struggle to hold a pose and my teacher will make one simple adjustment, the whole posture and amount of effort completely change.

So for the teachers out there who dont study biomechanics, who knows, maybe one day I will pass you by ;)
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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No offense shootin but either you are POORLY fit for a driver or your speedstik was broken.

A good friend of mine who is the longest hitter of the ball that i know in my parts continuously gets my speed stik in the 120-130 range and the shortest i've seen him hit it (playing with him) is like 285 with a big baby fade on it. Most of the time it's in the 300-320 range.

Go get fitted on a monitor to make sure you are maximizing your current effort.
 
No offense shootin but either you are POORLY fit for a driver or your speedstik was broken.

A good friend of mine who is the longest hitter of the ball that i know in my parts continuously gets my speed stik in the 120-130 range and the shortest i've seen him hit it (playing with him) is like 285 with a big baby fade on it. Most of the time it's in the 300-320 range.

Go get fitted on a monitor to make sure you are maximizing your current effort.

Yeah, I was gonna say...my swing speed is only about 110-115 and I can carry it 270-275 regularly (sea level).
 
brian:
when you mention the bent overness of o'grady, etc, i feel as if you're saying that is a negative. but didn't you say near the beginning of the flipper dvd something about ben doyle having you bend over more(when you were doing the very short chips?)
 
No offense shootin but either you are POORLY fit for a driver or your speedstik was broken.

A good friend of mine who is the longest hitter of the ball that i know in my parts continuously gets my speed stik in the 120-130 range and the shortest i've seen him hit it (playing with him) is like 285 with a big baby fade on it. Most of the time it's in the 300-320 range.

Go get fitted on a monitor to make sure you are maximizing your current effort.
not offended at all.
while at the pga show I stopped at the speed stik booth, and with 5 or so warm ups got it to 139. The guy at the booth said he had only seen 6 people get it that high and he wanted me to meet VJ's coach for some reason. I got to meet him, think his name was juan or something, but not that big a deal, talked to him for a few minutes, he recommended that I get the "tour stik".

Honestly Jim, I have two different swings, one where I feel the clubhead and one where I dont. When I feel the clubhead length is easy and accuracy is decent, when I dont both are hard but I can still get around the course in the low 80's. My best ballstriking came when I was working on two things, manzella style pivot with a cupped left wrist at the top while feeling it flatten in the transition. As quickly as it came it left. I have always come out of my spine angle, had a flying elbow, not enough width, off plane backswing etc..... and when I hit it well I thought about none of that. So I search, maybe I find it maybe I dont
 
Neil: You will probably find the issue in the grip! The sublety you mention is, I suspect, in having, at setup, the dish angle in your left hand--hence low hands at setup, and then maintaining it as you go back. This permits the loadup in your hands that might only be 5* more, but which is responsible for the differences both in feel and distance. Just as you say: it is elusive, and not because your modd changes or something irrelevant: it is in the critical position.

Remember how Hogan's "other secret" of his cupped left wrist at the top was revealed AS a secret? Cupped is a relative word. Talking about Tiger's current work with Haney, someone mentioned he heard Tiger say, pointing to the dish angle of his left wrist, that he was working on KEEPING THAT UNCHANGED during his swing. So keeping it unchanged to the top enables that critical extra foldback that is not possible if the wrist gets bowed in an attempt to "flatten" it - flat does not work for everyone (Daly..)

THEN, in the downswing, no deliberate rotation need occur and the pivot applies its power without any leakage and you definitely "feel" the club - it's impossible not to sense its massiveness.

Which you drive into the ball.

Betcha.
 
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I wasn't knocking his swing, i think it's obvious an efficient effort. However being big and strong does help you hit the ball long which he was.

I used to think that Jim, but I am not so sure any more...may not be essential...
Charles Howell III?.....
Andres Romero ....
Brad Petersen (weighs about 150)
Karl Woodward isn't that big either..
to name but a few...

There was a theory a few years ago that it was something to do with whether you had "fast" muscles (sprinter) or "slow" muscles (long distance runner)....
 

Brian Manzella

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I used to think that Jim, but I am not so sure any more...may not be essential...
Charles Howell III?.....
Andres Romero ....
Brad Petersen (weighs about 150)
Karl Woodward isn't that big either..
to name but a few...

There was a theory a few years ago that it was something to do with whether you had "fast" muscles (sprinter) or "slow" muscles (long distance runner)....

Are you kiddin' me?

Go to the World Long Drive Finals and report back.
 
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bcoak

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After watching the Tiger Challenge this weekend- especially Tiger, Stenson and Ogilvy - I am amazed at how much speed they generate from about hip level in the downswing through the ball. They are so smooth in their backswing and first part of downswing to about hip level then they just whip it through.
Beyond natural ability, how do they achieve this speed and how can I get some! Is it the pivot driving their arms through, arms swinging hard, or a combination arms/pivot?

Brian,
Any insight into the original question? Thanks
 

Jim Kobylinski

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I used to think that Jim, but I am not so sure any more...may not be essential...
Charles Howell III?.....
Andres Romero ....
Brad Petersen (weighs about 150)
Karl Woodward isn't that big either..
to name but a few...

There was a theory a few years ago that it was something to do with whether you had "fast" muscles (sprinter) or "slow" muscles (long distance runner)....

I have no scientific proof but i would have to imagine those people who are genetically equipped with more fast twitch muscle fibers MIGHT have an advantage.

However those who are not as gifted or are smaller in stature will need to maximize their mechanical leverage as the players above do.

Simply stated: In a somewhat "sound" golfswing, being strong will allow you to swing the club faster.

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Side note:

It is my belief and some personal trainers i have spoken to have validated my idea is that being stronger doesn't necessarily MAKE you swing the faster it ALLOWS you to swing faster. Meaning that your muscles have to be strong enough to hold onto the club and the forces being created at faster speeds otherwise the club should simply fly out of your hands.
 
Anybody?

What you describe sounds fascinating- although I'm guessing it doesn't exist in a clear form- but that said ,where would you direct me in order to see Mike Austin "explain and demonstrate the relationships of bones, muscles, joints, club and geometry of swing/impact ...". Is there a particular book? A particular video?
Thanks,
Mike O

Anybody? What is the best source for Mike Austin's comprehensive explanation of the golf swing? Specifically, the one that "demonstrates and explains the relationships of bones, muscles, joints, club and geometry of swing/impact..."

Just for clarification - I'm not being sarcastic or asking with an agenda- I would just like to read what he has to say. Obviously, I would like to hear from PerfectImpact since that is who I quoted but anyone else's opinion would be appreciated.
 
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mb6606 said:
Major League Baseball home run hitters - the majority are big strong guys.

I agree.

You need mechanics no doubt....but I really can't see how being stronger wouldn't be an advantage.

Simply stated: In a somewhat "sound" golfswing, being strong will allow you to swing the club faster.

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Side note:

It is my belief and some personal trainers i have spoken to have validated my idea is that being stronger doesn't necessarily MAKE you swing the faster it ALLOWS you to swing faster. Meaning that your muscles have to be strong enough to hold onto the club and the forces being created at faster speeds otherwise the club should simply fly out of your hands.

Measure clubhead speed throwing clubs and then without throwing clubs.
 
true but.... where is Mandrin?

Major League Baseball home run hitters - the majority are big strong guys.

The roids help...

But my main point is - does strength and size become more important in swings where the ball has alot of energy immediately prior to impact ?

It comes back to one of Mandrins great debates... he always says that a static golf ball exerts so little force on clubhead at impact that , even if it were possible to resist impact deceleration, then the force is so small it makes not much difference.

But if the ball is speeding towards your bat at 100mph then it has alot of energy( 1/2 mv2) and may exert greater force on bat at impact... maybe this is better if you are big fella??

Wait for mandrin i hope...
 
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