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[jerry1967]

think of it as a covering the ball steepening move.

Ok can you explain a little more about this?

 

[JEREMY5577]

This is a PGA Tour Player that came to visit a couple weeks ago. I am the guy in the red shirt video. I ball strike much better than this player but he is magic in competition. Just trying to get a better grasp on the the tumble concept. Thanks Brian, i appreciate your hard work trying to help us instructors. Wish there were more like you.

I'd really like to hear Brian or Kevin's analysis on this guys swing. Does he need more tumble?

 

[Keefer]

Don't bail out yet, Keefer. The only way to learn is to ask questions. I think it is a fair statement that the tumbling concept is not very intuitive. It's not like we are encouraging a huge debate over the efficacy of tumbling. Instead I think you are trying to understand the idea in more detail. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Erik

Look at the answer Manzella gave to my last post. And I should continue asking questions?

 

[Keefer]

An athlete who doesn't play golf would have gotten it from my last long post.

I'm not buying what you are selling.

First, I'm not selling anything and I'm not buying anything. Just trying to participate in a thread using common sense. Try not to be so defensive. I'm not someone with an agenda trying to disprove anything. I'm just an average golfer trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense to me.

Just so we're on the same page. Again, the two videos by you and Jacobs show the tumble as a move outside and over the plane coming down (about half-way). Moving the club out over the plane steepens the angle of attack. Common sense says if an already steep swing steepens it more (tumbling) that isn't a good thing.

A few post back I thought I had it. The ideal swing is to flatten early in the transition and steepen late (tumble). Makes perfect sense. It's what most Pro's do and I call it the "Pro" move.

Now all hell is breaking loose again with the idea that the steep early hacker needs to tumble and steepen more. No need to try and convince me if it's going to raise your blood pressure. This tumbling isn't something I'm going to try and incorporate in my swing anyway.

Sometimes I pick up some nuggets on here and sometimes the weeds are too deep for me. Understanding tumbling is obviously too deep in the weeds for me. Not going to lose any sleep over it. Carry on.............

 

[Robbierob99]

random thought: We need a "dislike" button to go along side the "like" button

 

[spktho]

Out of high school I had a scholarship to play baseball at a decent division I college. I played shortstop, or so I thought. After getting hurt and redshirting due to ACL reconstruction I had my scholarship pulled, so I moved on to a junior college. Going through practices and leading up to games, I was a shortstop, but a guy named Damien Easley was who the coach put in as starting shortstop and I was at 2nd base. I was a little pissed because I thought we were pretty equal and I actually had better hands at fielding. First game against El Camino College, Marvin Bernard (later of the San Francisco Giants) hits a ground ball in the hole at deep short. I had gotten to many ground balls over there in the hole but had thrown out few runners from there. Damien gets to the ball, plants his back foot, but it slips and he goes down to his knees. I figured Bernard is easily safe. Damien stays on his knees, throws the ball with what looks like a little sidearm flick of the wrist. The ball did not get any higher than head high, did not go any lower than waist high. Marvin was out by a step. I knew then that I needed to learn to be the best 2nd baseman I could be. Damien went on to play MLB for a few different teams.

Needless to say, I did not go on to pro ball. Started playing golf at 25 years old with aspirations to get good and maybe play competitively. Went to my first pro golf tournament to see how those guys swung a golf club. I had watched on tv, but seeing it live is much better. Went to the Bob Hope Classic and happened to see Fred Couples on the first tee. Watched him practice swing, no big deal, I could do that. Then he set up to hit his tee shot and swung away....I immediately knew these guys did not play the same golf I did.

If anyone has not seen these guys swing in person, you need to. The thing that impressed me the most was how it seemed that the club moved so slow half way through the downswing, then accelerated so fast through impact while they seemed so relaxed doing it....

Phase 1: Pull early, reverse beta/tumble.

Phase 2: Left hand in clubhead side over—steepening tumble)

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Phase 3: Negative Alpha (pulling the top end of the grip back), Negative Beta & Positive Gamma (all summing up to ("Going Normal").​

I know a huge piece of the puzzle now.

Thanks again Brian and the Manzella Instructors. It's just taken too long for me to find out

 

[Kevin Shields]

Keeper, nobody said tumbling a steep swing is a good thing. I don't know where you're getting that

 

[Kevin Shields]

I'd really like to hear Brian or Kevin's analysis on this guys swing. Does he need more tumble?

Face isn't open enough IMO, so he goes down the line a little too much. Would like to talk to him about his misses, etc

 

[jbrunk]

Keeper, nobody said tumbling a steep swing is a good thing. I don't know where you're getting that

Agreed. Not seeing that either.